Entry Gibby or higher end Epi?

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Re: Entry Gibby or higher end Epi?

Ive had this argument back and forth in many music stores. Most vendors agree that the cheaper, natural LP Studios have no maple, but is just a block of mahogany, however i am no expert- so ill leave at: just beware SOME cheapo Les shaped models are solid mahogany- so find out first.

Its very well documented which ones have a mahogany cap. The historic 57 custom reissue and the faded mahogany Studios and a few selected editions of other LPs.

And it's a cap, it's not solid, although it is mahogany. You know Gibson still has to drill all those silly weight relief holes into the guitar and they can only do that if there's a cap :D
 
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You know, man, I read just about all your posts. I really do. I feel the need to point out, that, goddammit, YOU'RE A BLUES PLAYER. I'M A CLASSIC METAL PLAYER. I USE MORE ****ING GAIN THAN YOU DO. Priest, Maiden, Megadeth, Metallica, Motorhead, Fastway...:rocket:

I thought we'd established that.

:haha:
 
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My last word (if anyone shd care, & i understand if theydont) on the neverending G Vs. E dispute is basically: HENRY Juszkiewicz: as a CEO, he compromises both the quality aspects of Gibson AND Epiphone- routinely fires the best people, and strong arms the dealers in a way that causes quality resonant Gibsons to be scarce. So as a plus, the Gibson history speaks in a way he cant screw up, but they were very messed up for a while. Despite turning the company around, lots of HJ's ideas are bad.
Since the turnaround (amount of employee firings) is so severe, many ex- employees have reported why quality control is far less than optimum.
So the dedication of the Gibson employees who love their job struggles against the obstacle of a hostile micromanager. Production numbers is the first priority,& quality suffers within HJs standard of acceptable imperfections.
In short, among brand names, Gibson is def volatile: bcuZ they are ordered to lie about woods and defects and whatnot, bcuz they sell a $2000 gtr for $10000 or $15000, bcuz they are (currently) unresponsive to customers, dealers, and their best workers. A JimmyPage signature was found with a Chinese neck. Theyve suffered lawsuits for using illegal woods.
The world is flooded with good Gibsons and mediocre
Gibsons, so finding a good one isnt hard, but worth the money is a little trickier. If it says Gibson on it, youre not out of the woods yet. In fact, i would argue that theres more to discern with a Gibson,( for all the reasons above, as well as the adoration of mythological proportions, and the nonmusical investor factors) than with the expectations of most brand of guitars, ... Or brands of anything.

One anonymous music store employee,(mr.X) did an interview for Dinosaur Rock Guitar website. If you care about the difference between resonance and sustain, he makes a valid point about the availability of quality Gibsons to the general public.

Im not a Gibson hater, by any stretch.(in fact, my music collection is organized by guitar & pickup: this year ive listened mostly to music played on LesPauls) I just think that the monetary value of each one relative to the sonic/ playability satisfaction isnt as simple as Gibson=great. The worst case scenario is paying over a thousand dollars for a unit that might be in the $600 quality range. I assume one wants to prevent that.

And make no mistake,i would rank my opinion way below that of many other forumites on Gibson expertise.

Ive heard many good Gibsons that sound twice as good as a Schecter, and maybe two that sounded five times as good as an Epiphone. Which is what they cost new.

But ive heard many more Gibsons (2001 on) that sound okay, but not a thousand dollars better than a $500 guitar.
 
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Not in the last year or so, but I do plan on it. I see no reason to not do something I know I'll need to do to get it stage ready, even if it's hard to keep a band together when you're constantly changing duty stations. It's been a bit of a dry spell since I left San Diego.

Understood. Geez, if I lived there, I'd hate to leave San Diego too. Visited there many times, what a great place.
 
Re: Entry Gibby or higher end Epi?

Eh, the hardware's chrome and I didn't want to repot. I don't care what anybody says: new covers=potting, and it's a pita.

Sometimes it does, and in your case I can see where it may be necessary.

When I cover pickups, I put a strip of blue painter's tape over the slug bobbin, put the cover in, lightly clamp it to hold it on snug and then solder it in place. No feedback, even at high volume with lots of gain. It's not just the vibrating, it's the air space between the slug bobbin and the cover that can cause the feedback.
 
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Very late to this party, but I'll throw in my two cents:

Neither Epis (highend or otherwise) nor cheaper Gibsons tend to look and feel like high end Gibsons to me. To me, Epiphones feel very plasticky and low-end Gibbys feel very rough hewn and cobbly -- almost rustic.

I think it all comes down to which style you prefer.
 
Re: Entry Gibby or higher end Epi?

@ guitarrob:

its been a few days now. have you gone out any played any? what are your impressions?

really, the only correct answer is to get out there and play as many guitars as you can.
 
Re: Entry Gibby or higher end Epi?

@ guitarrob:

its been a few days now. have you gone out any played any? what are your impressions?

really, the only correct answer is to get out there and play as many guitars as you can.
I dropped into the local shop but I only had a few minutes so I figured I could get a look at what they have in both the Gibby and Epi lines.
I seen a nice Studio but the price seemed elevated compared to what I have seen elsewhere. I seen an SG studio? That I liked and had a good price on it.

The rack is organized with LP, SG on both sides...I went to the other side and seen the body of a nice alpine white LP Studio that I really liked based on the body, fit and finish..etc. When I glanced up at the headstock it was an Epi.... The shop didn't have any really nice Gibby LP studio's just two that were OK.

I noticed that I look at the guitar body first, bridge, pickups, neck and headstock last. I am going to have to get back there and plug some in when I have more time.

I appreciate the advice and opinions from everybody.
Thanks.
 
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I laughed like hell at that. My sister had a Granada.

As did my grandma. We called it the pumpkin because it had no lights (she had to be home before dark) and was a gross yellow-tan color like a squash.
 
Re: Entry Gibby or higher end Epi?

When I cover pickups, I put a strip of blue painter's tape over the slug bobbin, put the cover in, lightly clamp it to hold it on snug and then solder it in place. No feedback, even at high volume with lots of gain. It's not just the vibrating, it's the air space between the slug bobbin and the cover that can cause the feedback.

+1. I use a piece of electrical tape, or even wind the PU's own tape a little high to cover the edge of the bobbins. The cover fits nice and snug that way. I still say you don't need to add wax.
 
Re: Entry Gibby or higher end Epi?

+1. I use a piece of electrical tape, or even wind the PU's own tape a little high to cover the edge of the bobbins. The cover fits nice and snug that way. I still say you don't need to add wax.

YOU don't need to add wax.
 
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