richard parker
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In what ways is this not as good as Gibson 59 re-issue ?
In what ways is this not as good as Gibson 59 re-issue ?
Epiphone 59 Les Paul
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guitarded
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Re: Epiphone 59 Les Paul
Headstock is the wrong shape and does not say Gibson for starters which makes a mockery of the whole re-issue concept.
Headstock is the wrong shape and does not say Gibson for starters which makes a mockery of the whole re-issue concept.
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Re: Epiphone 59 Les Paul
No. I'm not taking the bait. :nono:
No. I'm not taking the bait. :nono:
ravendouglas
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i'm bored i'll play....i had an epi that i liked a lot so i wont bash them..but i will bash this......fender,has an import line......the head stock says fender....and the head stock looks like a fender head stock.........yes i think gibson should be on the import lines head stock and thats what epi is,gibsons import line...what about the copies and the scam artists?..well you stamp the country of origin and call it a day....lots of trouble to change out a glued in neck for the ole fake gibson scam...and fakes will always be a problem anyway....and if gibson cant and wont do this...and they wont....they should at least get that ugly azz head stock right...make it the gibson shape but with the epi logo.they wont get confused with one that says gibson.
i'm bored i'll play....i had an epi that i liked a lot so i wont bash them..but i will bash this......fender,has an import line......the head stock says fender....and the head stock looks like a fender head stock.........yes i think gibson should be on the import lines head stock and thats what epi is,gibsons import line...what about the copies and the scam artists?..well you stamp the country of origin and call it a day....lots of trouble to change out a glued in neck for the ole fake gibson scam...and fakes will always be a problem anyway....and if gibson cant and wont do this...and they wont....they should at least get that ugly azz head stock right...make it the gibson shape but with the epi logo.they wont get confused with one that says gibson.
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blueman335
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The flame is veneer over a maple cap, instead of all being one piece. Maybe the wood isn't the same quality as pieces Gibson uses, but then, I've read here that Gibson doesn't use Grade A lumber either. The shop workers aren't round-eyed Americans.
Since the originals are out of range for any of us, and the '59 Gibson VOS reissues are more than all but a handful of us would spend on a guitar, this would be as close as I'd get to it. I'd play one with pride anywhere.
The flame is veneer over a maple cap, instead of all being one piece. Maybe the wood isn't the same quality as pieces Gibson uses, but then, I've read here that Gibson doesn't use Grade A lumber either. The shop workers aren't round-eyed Americans.
Since the originals are out of range for any of us, and the '59 Gibson VOS reissues are more than all but a handful of us would spend on a guitar, this would be as close as I'd get to it. I'd play one with pride anywhere.
sosomething
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Bludave
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A guy I work with just started playing in a punk band. He has a Strat and was looking for something a little thicker. I found him an Epi Les Paul on Craigs List for $350.00 It was a blue burst and had some real nice flame. $350.00 is a good deal I thought.
A guy I work with just started playing in a punk band. He has a Strat and was looking for something a little thicker. I found him an Epi Les Paul on Craigs List for $350.00 It was a blue burst and had some real nice flame. $350.00 is a good deal I thought.
Bludave
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ravendouglas
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Re: Epiphone 59 Les Paul
these are nice epi's dont get me wrong,i just really dont like that head stock.
these are nice epi's dont get me wrong,i just really dont like that head stock.
ravendouglas
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i love it....if they would make them this way ,that would be good enough for me....but thats just me....some people like the epi style and thats cool too....bludave......can you give some info on that head stock?..is it real,or photoshopped?
i love it....if they would make them this way ,that would be good enough for me....but thats just me....some people like the epi style and thats cool too....bludave......can you give some info on that head stock?..is it real,or photoshopped?
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ravendouglas
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Andrew Lamprecht
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Re: Epiphone 59 Les Paul
Are you talking about the R9? The Custom Shop handmade R9? .... :eyecrazy:
... I see what you did there...
you little joke-ster.
(If you are being serious, I'll be serious, Gibsons CS is amazing. It outplays even standard line Gibsons by a lot. They truly are amazing instruments. The only CS peice I've ever played was an R9 and it was unbelievable... but I wouldn't pay $4000 for it).
Are you talking about the R9? The Custom Shop handmade R9? .... :eyecrazy:
... I see what you did there...
you little joke-ster.(If you are being serious, I'll be serious, Gibsons CS is amazing. It outplays even standard line Gibsons by a lot. They truly are amazing instruments. The only CS peice I've ever played was an R9 and it was unbelievable... but I wouldn't pay $4000 for it).
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ravendouglas
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i would bet that more than a few pickers would want the look correct enough to save for the real lester,so maybe thats why the epis look different,it's a marketing ploy,to make sure purists only get the look from the real deal.
i would bet that more than a few pickers would want the look correct enough to save for the real lester,so maybe thats why the epis look different,it's a marketing ploy,to make sure purists only get the look from the real deal.
guitarded
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I have two Epiphone Les Paul's and they play nice and the price was nice.... The headstock shape is a bummer...but that's alright cause they both play and sound nice. So why would I want to pay extra money for something that is not the real thing even though it plays nice.... The point of playing EPI's is usually bang for the buck which you lose the minute you start paying for details.... or words like "Custom" "Plus" and in this case... "re-issue".
I have two Epiphone Les Paul's and they play nice and the price was nice.... The headstock shape is a bummer...but that's alright cause they both play and sound nice. So why would I want to pay extra money for something that is not the real thing even though it plays nice.... The point of playing EPI's is usually bang for the buck which you lose the minute you start paying for details.... or words like "Custom" "Plus" and in this case... "re-issue".
JeffB
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Thick poly- thats the worst thing on any Epi- I don;t like the feel (plastic) and it strangles tone. so many Epis are dead as a doornail and dark as can be.
You also may get any kind of "mahogany family" wood. I've seen epis with African, and some made of the various "asian" mahogany that has a somewhat similar grain but is more akin to alder in tone. You don't always get a maple cap either- I've seen them with the same capwood as the body.
Having owned a R8, there is absolutely no comparison in they way they feel, play or sound. Epi has:
Different body wood,
Different quality of wood
Thinner fretboard material
Cheaper hardware
Different tuners
Different finish
usually cheaper electronics
Different frets (size and quality of material)
Different nut material
Different string spacing, etc etc.
The only thing similar is they are shaped roughly the same.
But certainly you can find decent players and decent ones tonally in the EPi line- I picked up nice little LP special last week that sounds pretty decent and plays nice. But no way near the same league as a MIA custom shop guitar. Its like comparing a Hyundai to a BMW.
Bottom line- ask an R8/R9 owner if he'd like to trade for a Epi reissue... or even three.
And Ask the Epi owner if he'd like to trade for an R8/R9...or even a Production Standard.
It's more than just the logo or headstock shape. People buy Epis to stay within their means and there is nothing wrong with that.
Thick poly- thats the worst thing on any Epi- I don;t like the feel (plastic) and it strangles tone. so many Epis are dead as a doornail and dark as can be.
You also may get any kind of "mahogany family" wood. I've seen epis with African, and some made of the various "asian" mahogany that has a somewhat similar grain but is more akin to alder in tone. You don't always get a maple cap either- I've seen them with the same capwood as the body.
Having owned a R8, there is absolutely no comparison in they way they feel, play or sound. Epi has:
Different body wood,
Different quality of wood
Thinner fretboard material
Cheaper hardware
Different tuners
Different finish
usually cheaper electronics
Different frets (size and quality of material)
Different nut material
Different string spacing, etc etc.
The only thing similar is they are shaped roughly the same.
But certainly you can find decent players and decent ones tonally in the EPi line- I picked up nice little LP special last week that sounds pretty decent and plays nice. But no way near the same league as a MIA custom shop guitar. Its like comparing a Hyundai to a BMW.
Bottom line- ask an R8/R9 owner if he'd like to trade for a Epi reissue... or even three.
And Ask the Epi owner if he'd like to trade for an R8/R9...or even a Production Standard.
It's more than just the logo or headstock shape. People buy Epis to stay within their means and there is nothing wrong with that.
guitarded
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Re: Epiphone 59 Les Paul
Well in the Fender world.... The real deal indication is subtle but it's there in the form "FENDER" or "MADE IN U.S.A." decals. What's wrong with that? No need to be able to spot the difference 100 feet away. The EPI headstock should be the right shape..... It would sound better Who cares what it says?
For the purposes of this thread... Re-Issue is not really a fair word unless it is a re-issue of an Epiphone designed guitar style.
Well in the Fender world.... The real deal indication is subtle but it's there in the form "FENDER" or "MADE IN U.S.A." decals. What's wrong with that? No need to be able to spot the difference 100 feet away. The EPI headstock should be the right shape..... It would sound better
Who cares what it says? For the purposes of this thread... Re-Issue is not really a fair word unless it is a re-issue of an Epiphone designed guitar style.
Re: Epiphone 59 Les Paul
I think this model has the long tenon right? That should be an improvement over normal epis and probably even Gibby studios.. Hmmm?
Slightly OT, but still in line with discussions in this thread.. Ive never seen an R8 or r9 in person. How do they differ from a standard? Are they really double price better?
I think this model has the long tenon right? That should be an improvement over normal epis and probably even Gibby studios.. Hmmm?
Slightly OT, but still in line with discussions in this thread.. Ive never seen an R8 or r9 in person. How do they differ from a standard? Are they really double price better?
Bones
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It is real. I think they are epiphones for the Japanese market.
It is real. I think they are epiphones for the Japanese market.
Aceman
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Re: Epiphone 59 Les Paul
All very good points. But at the end of the day there are but two questions to ask:
1 - Does it FEEL good?
2 - Does it SOUND good?
I have to say...since we have got the solid Mahogany and maple cap, plus burstbuckers, I can't imagine it doesn't sound like a serious LP. And as for the feel, other than the poly...It will feel pretty much (98%?) like a Les Paul.
At the end of the day, I have to agree that there are very few Epi's that are as good all around as most any Gibson. But I also think the R8 and R9 guys are mostly a bunch of R-tards more concerned with ancient construction and weight and other crap BESIDES AND ABOVE the afforementioned two critical factors.
For whatever that guitar costs - I bet it is a serious price performer, and WAY more of a value performer than an R-guitar.
Not hating the R series. Just saying that NONE of them are THAT good. Of course, my chops suck so it really does not matter.
But for an example of "be careful" The Slash Epi Elitist OWNED the custom shop model. Not a damm human being could tell the difference by sound, and by feel it certainly wn't worth the additional THREE FRICKIN' THOUSAND DOLLARS for an LP with a2p's.
Just saying...The label is a HUGE influence. Do not discount it.
[edit] Before you go getting your panties in a wad - whoever you may be: MOST AVERAGE GIBSONS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER CONSTRUCTED/FEELING THAN MOST ALL EPIPHONE LPS. I'm saying, that for the money, the LP is so stupidly overpriced it is simply not worth it. There are tons of other guitars that are EQUALLY well constructed, and sound as good, or better, and are as playable, or more so. This Epi kicks @$$ (I bet) relative to what it costs.
All very good points. But at the end of the day there are but two questions to ask:
1 - Does it FEEL good?
2 - Does it SOUND good?
I have to say...since we have got the solid Mahogany and maple cap, plus burstbuckers, I can't imagine it doesn't sound like a serious LP. And as for the feel, other than the poly...It will feel pretty much (98%?) like a Les Paul.
At the end of the day, I have to agree that there are very few Epi's that are as good all around as most any Gibson. But I also think the R8 and R9 guys are mostly a bunch of R-tards more concerned with ancient construction and weight and other crap BESIDES AND ABOVE the afforementioned two critical factors.
For whatever that guitar costs - I bet it is a serious price performer, and WAY more of a value performer than an R-guitar.
Not hating the R series. Just saying that NONE of them are THAT good. Of course, my chops suck so it really does not matter.
But for an example of "be careful" The Slash Epi Elitist OWNED the custom shop model. Not a damm human being could tell the difference by sound, and by feel it certainly wn't worth the additional THREE FRICKIN' THOUSAND DOLLARS for an LP with a2p's.
Just saying...The label is a HUGE influence. Do not discount it.
[edit] Before you go getting your panties in a wad - whoever you may be: MOST AVERAGE GIBSONS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER CONSTRUCTED/FEELING THAN MOST ALL EPIPHONE LPS. I'm saying, that for the money, the LP is so stupidly overpriced it is simply not worth it. There are tons of other guitars that are EQUALLY well constructed, and sound as good, or better, and are as playable, or more so. This Epi kicks @$$ (I bet) relative to what it costs.
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Aceman
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Re: Epiphone 59 Les Paul
Why? Can you tell about the Tenon by looking? Can you tell by the sound? The strength? I've been bending a short tenon like Steve freaking Stevens for DECADES.
This is EXACTLY my point. You can't tell by look, feel, or sound - but you already think it's an improvement.
I bet 100 bones if we took five long and short tenons you couldn't tell the difference after three randomized trials through the set. You'd be batting 50%
Why? Can you tell about the Tenon by looking? Can you tell by the sound? The strength? I've been bending a short tenon like Steve freaking Stevens for DECADES.
This is EXACTLY my point. You can't tell by look, feel, or sound - but you already think it's an improvement.
I bet 100 bones if we took five long and short tenons you couldn't tell the difference after three randomized trials through the set. You'd be batting 50%
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