Epiphone Tony Iommi SG 400... what to expect

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Epiphone Tony Iommi SG 400... what to expect

The Iommi pups are pretty high output and kind of harsh. Great for low tuned stuff if thats what ur goin for. Dont let people talk down epis. They are very good guitars and excellent for beginners. Along the way you can even upgrade parts and make it very good. You may want to look into the SG special faded Gibsons though. Like 100 dollars more and they are unbelievable guitars.

Its the only SG I know that has 24 fretts, so for me personally thats why I want it plus the Iommi Pickups, and asthetically it looks like a dream

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Epiphone Tony Iommi SG 400... what to expect

Those are basically Epi G400's which are the bottom of the line on set neck SG's. They are nice guitars for the $180 they can be found used. An OK platform for upgrades. IMO not worth the new price though. You can do a lot better on the used market with that money.
As was suggested early, look for used Special Faded SG's. More bang for the buck.

You should consider that SG's aren't the toughest guitars around. It's really easy to snap the headstock off if the player is not very careful.
For a beginner I'd recommend a bolt-on guitar like a Strat. Those are built like tanks. If you really want to stay away from a Strat, then the a Mustang would be a great option. It has a 24" scale so the feeling will be closer to a Gibson plus is easier on kids and beginners.

Good luck man. It's really cool when the family wants to be part of something you like.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: All those guitars you mentioned I can't stand :laugh2::laugh2:

 

[everdrone]

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Dark Order Lord, it is good that you are getting a guitar like this Iommi SG to help your THE WHOLE FAMILY play BLACK SABBATH RIFFS. I highly approve :headbang:

 

[Dark Order Lord]

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Why is it that Fender fanboys have to try and trash every other guitar that they dont have?

Very true, I experianced that working at Guitar Crazy in coogee for 9 years...

I am a Gibson man myself, but when I played a 53 tele I was amazed at its tone. Strats have their place.

I know that this Iommi SG will be comfortable to play for my wife and daughter, but will also satisfy me with me metal tastes, I means I already own $4,500 customs V's so for me to buy a cheap strat or similar would just piss me off. And to those who think there second hand Iommis around, look on ebay, there is only 1 at $550, plus shipping to Australia I would rather just get one New here even though its just a little more expensive, Plus I love 24 fretts.....

 

[blueman335]

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Why is it that Fender fanboys have to try and trash every other guitar that they dont have?

Thank you. Those Fender guys; always trying to push their tinny guitars on people...

 

[PonyKiller]

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Oh my God!!! :smack:

I've been playing guitar for decades, never broke or mangled one, don't understand how people do. Unless your family handles guitars like chimps do, you don't need durability to be a top priority. Fenders are typically bright-toned, which highlights very minor errors and that can be discouraging to beginners.

I love Epi's, there's some very good ones. Upgrade the PU's, do a set up, and they do what I need them to. There's a number of players that gig with them, including some international blues acts.

That's the problem, I don't understand how people do but they manage to do it all the time. Haven't happened to me so far, but I know it will happen some day. Some gigs get pretty crazy (hate it when ppl get on stage)...
You can be very careful with your guitars but you can't control what the other people do. Specially beginners or little kids. Place the guitar on the wrong spot, a minor incidental bump and there goes your headstock.

I'll be perfectly OK if the guitar costed around $250. A few drops of titebond, some clamps, sandpaper and good as new. But for $700... that would hurt. I would probably cry hahaha.

Although, I have to admit it, Epiphones are tougher than Gibsons. Our Epis (a LP Standard and a Goth '58 V) have been to hell and back and still rocking. I wouldn't hesitate to gig with them anyday. In fact, I choose them before my Gibsons for gigs. A set of nice pups, some good tuners (if no Grovers stock), a setup and they are ready to rock and I wouldn't care if they are somehow demolished on stage.

 

[PonyKiller]

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:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: All those guitars you mentioned I can't stand :laugh2::laugh2:

That's cool man. Seems like it's the guitar you really want. As an SG guy myself, and a big Sabbath fan, I just love the way it looks too.
Also, 24 frets!

 

[brunogio]

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I like the Iommi pups and they can be tamed.

As long as your daughter is around 5 feet tall I don't think she'll have a problem with the Gibson scale neck.

Don't know about the price but I'd rather have a real Gibson that's a little beat up than a new Epiphone but that's just me.

 

[Dark Order Lord]

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Thank you. Those Fender guys; always trying to push their tinny guitars on people...

Hahahahaha!!!!

 

[Dark Order Lord]

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That's the problem, I don't understand how people do but they manage to do it all the time. Haven't happened to me so far, but I know it will happen some day. Some gigs get pretty crazy (hate it when ppl get on stage)...
You can be very careful with your guitars but you can't control what the other people do. Specially beginners or little kids. Place the guitar on the wrong spot, a minor incidental bump and there goes your headstock.

I'll be perfectly OK if the guitar costed around $250. A few drops of titebond, some clamps, sandpaper and good as new. But for $700... that would hurt. I would probably cry hahaha.

Although, I have to admit it, Epiphones are tougher than Gibsons. Our Epis (a LP Standard and a Goth '58 V) have been to hell and back and still rocking. I wouldn't hesitate to gig with them anyday. In fact, I choose them before my Gibsons for gigs. A set of nice pups, some good tuners (if no Grovers stock), a setup and they are ready to rock and I wouldn't care if they are somehow demolished on stage.

Lucky for me the Iommi sg comes with grover tuners as well!

 

[blueman335]

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That's the problem, I don't understand how people do but they manage to do it all the time. Haven't happened to me so far, but I know it will happen some day. Some gigs get pretty crazy (hate it when ppl get on stage)...
You can be very careful with your guitars but you can't control what the other people do. Specially beginners or little kids. Place the guitar on the wrong spot, a minor incidental bump and there goes your headstock.

Although, I have to admit it, Epiphones are tougher than Gibsons. Our Epis (a LP Standard and a Goth '58 V) have been to hell and back and still rocking. I wouldn't hesitate to gig with them anyday. In fact, I choose them before my Gibsons for gigs. A set of nice pups, some good tuners (if no Grovers stock), a setup and they are ready to rock and I wouldn't care if they are somehow demolished on stage.

I've always wondered about people who say "Get a Fender, you can replace the neck when it breaks it off." What do these people do with their guitars? Leave them on floor and step on them in the middle of the night? ("Oh damn it Bobbi Sue! That's the second one this week I've broken. I've got to get a flashlight").

Gibsons should not go thru 'hell and back', that's when you use Epi's. With the wear and risks, most local gigs do not warrant Gibsons. You're playing for drunks in a smoke-filled room with bad acoustics, and loading up your car at 2:00AM in a dark alley. Not the place I want to take $5,000 worth of gear.

Glad to hear you're a Gibson-Epi owner. You had me worried. :friday:

 

[Jeff5]

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Awesome! Down tune that sucker to C# and teach them Into The Void!

 

[astrozombie]

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I would have gone for something a little more neutral looking and not a guitar that makes people slit their wrists. But that's just me.

 

[astrozombie]

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Hell no!!!!! She has to earn it!!!!!:smack:

This logic is very flawed.

My father bought me several guitars but they were all budget to mid level in terms of pricing.

I have been playing for almost 10 years. I am studying music theory. I am playing with several local artists.

I have only kept the highest quality guitar I ever got as a gift and plan on using more than two thousand dollars USD on what I what will be my breadwinner.

imagine if he would have gathered up everything he used on several guitars on one guitar.

Also, a Gibson is easier to play and encourages practice.

 

[Dark Order Lord]

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Thank you. Those Fender guys; always trying to push their tinny guitars on people...

Are they the people who keep saying that the JB and the DD are shrill and have the horrible ice pick sound??? Cause I always wonder where that comes from, as with me DD in my Marshall I run my EQ bass:10 mids:8 treble:7-8 (depending on the room) and presence:7

 

[Dark Order Lord]

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I've always wondered about people who say "Get a Fender, you can replace the neck when it breaks it off." What do these people do with their guitars? Leave them on floor and step on them in the middle of the night? ("Oh damn it Bobbi Sue! That's the second one this week I've broken. I've got to get a flashlight").

Gibsons should not go thru 'hell and back', that's when you use Epi's. With the wear and risks, most local gigs do not warrant Gibsons. You're playing for drunks in a smoke-filled room with bad acoustics, and loading up your car at 2:00AM in a dark alley. Not the place I want to take $5,000 worth of gear.

Glad to hear you're a Gibson-Epi owner. You had me worried. :friday:

I've been doing that for 20 years now with my same Thrash Metal band that I started when I was 19. My gear if on the road totals about $12,000, so I'm always paranoid about it and have techniques to prevent theives getting at my gear... Its worked so far, but you never know

 

[Dark Order Lord]

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I would have gone for something a little more neutral looking and not a guitar that makes people slit their wrists. But that's just me.

Are you kidding????? SG are THE easiest guitar to play ever made!!!! And classic too! :smack:

 

[astrozombie]

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Thank you. Those Fender guys; always trying to push their tinny guitars on people...

GOD, I KNOW RIGHT!

It's like "HENDRIX SHUT UP NO ONE LIKES YOU!!"

 

[astrozombie]

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Are you kidding????? SG are THE easiest guitar to play ever made!!!! And classic too! :smack:

The Iommi SG is all black, matte finish. this is what I'm referring to.

 

[Dark Order Lord]

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This logic is very flawed.

My father bought me several guitars but they were all budget to mid level in terms of pricing.

I have been playing for almost 10 years. I am studying music theory. I am playing with several local artists.

I have only kept the highest quality guitar I ever got as a gift and plan on using more than two thousand dollars USD on what I what will be my breadwinner.

imagine if he would have gathered up everything he used on several guitars on one guitar.

Also, a Gibson is easier to play and encourages practice.

You're not a parent are you? Hahahahaha! No offence but you 'logic' sounds just like daughter when she complains about her presents....