Would that work? I have the ESP Horizon II with JB/Jazz right and I find this Jazz pick up really THICK or DENSE especially basses and I would like a bit more brighter tone for solos that's FULL. I really only play metal sometimes rock aswell but pretty much. JB Seems really bright and I love it for playing powerchords well everything except the solos it has it own special moments in solos but I think that it's not full it lacks some things. Opinions?
ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
What do you mean run the JB in series I don't get it.
Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
the reason the jb seems bright has a lot to do with the physical location of the pup near the bridge. the opposite is true for the jazz in the neck. the jb will be much darker than the jazz in the neck position.
typically humbuckers are wired in series, basically one coil is fed into the other, but there are other ways to wire them. wiring the jb in parallel will give a brighter, clearer tone with less output compared to series wiring.
the reason the jb seems bright has a lot to do with the physical location of the pup near the bridge. the opposite is true for the jazz in the neck. the jb will be much darker than the jazz in the neck position.
typically humbuckers are wired in series, basically one coil is fed into the other, but there are other ways to wire them. wiring the jb in parallel will give a brighter, clearer tone with less output compared to series wiring.
gregory
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
The darker tonality will be compensated by harmonics from the high gain distortion. Some amps like the SLO100 will shave off the high end before the highest gain stage anyway.
If it's still a problem the screws can be cut short and the A5 can be replaced with an A3.
He already has the pickup. Might as well give it a try. While it's not my thing, it's been successfully done before.
The darker tonality will be compensated by harmonics from the high gain distortion. Some amps like the SLO100 will shave off the high end before the highest gain stage anyway.
If it's still a problem the screws can be cut short and the A5 can be replaced with an A3.
He already has the pickup. Might as well give it a try. While it's not my thing, it's been successfully done before.
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gregory
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
The Full Shred Neck would be a viable candidate from Duncan. Some guys like the Screamin' Demon. I'm not one of them, though.
I'll say it straight away: I am not a fan of the Jazz Neck for high gain (or the Screamin' Demon, for that matter) because it doesn't have enough push in the upper mids; that is my bias. It is that bias from which I've interpreted his post, rightly or wrongly. Unlike the Jazz Neck, the JB has plenty of push in the upper mid region, especially with a high value pot (500k or 1M) and no tone control. Even with 250k pots the JB has more of this relative to the bass than the Jazz; and relative is all that really matters once it is combined with a bridge with greater output without an emphasis on highs as seems to be the case with the Invader, unless I'm mistaken: I wouldn't own one.
If the JB doesn't work I'd look at offerings from DiMarzio such as the Evolution Neck or FRED.
The Full Shred Neck would be a viable candidate from Duncan. Some guys like the Screamin' Demon. I'm not one of them, though.
He wants something full but with less bass than a Jazz.
I'll say it straight away: I am not a fan of the Jazz Neck for high gain (or the Screamin' Demon, for that matter) because it doesn't have enough push in the upper mids; that is my bias. It is that bias from which I've interpreted his post, rightly or wrongly. Unlike the Jazz Neck, the JB has plenty of push in the upper mid region, especially with a high value pot (500k or 1M) and no tone control. Even with 250k pots the JB has more of this relative to the bass than the Jazz; and relative is all that really matters once it is combined with a bridge with greater output without an emphasis on highs as seems to be the case with the Invader, unless I'm mistaken: I wouldn't own one.
If the JB doesn't work I'd look at offerings from DiMarzio such as the Evolution Neck or FRED.
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
Mm so Invader Bridge wouldn't work in this case huh? I have 0 experience with that that's why I always relly on this forum.
Mm so Invader Bridge wouldn't work in this case huh? I have 0 experience with that that's why I always relly on this forum.
gregory
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
I'm pretty certain the Invader/JB combo would work. The fact that I wouldn't own an Invader shouldn't discourage you.
I like medium output humbuckers in the bridge which limits me to low to medium output humbuckers in the neck. Because I like medium output humbuckers in the bridge there is no way a JB would work for me. I have entertained using a JB coil in a neck hybrid since (for me) they do a very good job when split.
I'd try the JB in the neck and adjust your signal chain to see if it would be feasible.
Do you own a humbucker that is hotter and darker than a JB? I ask because you can only do so much tweaking before a bridge humbucker will become thinner than you would like. I doubt this would be a problem with an Invader though.
I'm pretty certain the Invader/JB combo would work. The fact that I wouldn't own an Invader shouldn't discourage you.
I like medium output humbuckers in the bridge which limits me to low to medium output humbuckers in the neck. Because I like medium output humbuckers in the bridge there is no way a JB would work for me. I have entertained using a JB coil in a neck hybrid since (for me) they do a very good job when split.
I'd try the JB in the neck and adjust your signal chain to see if it would be feasible.
Do you own a humbucker that is hotter and darker than a JB? I ask because you can only do so much tweaking before a bridge humbucker will become thinner than you would like. I doubt this would be a problem with an Invader though.
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
But a weird thing.. I went to hear the demos on the Seymour Duncan site Invader: https://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/invader-bridge and JB: https://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/jb?__uuid_ref=5a820e0bb1141?__uuid_ref=5a820e0bb117d
and am I just nuts or is the tone really close and the invader sounds like the JB but on bridge basically and I don't really hear that full sounds vs on some covers don't know if you would really like to hear it MINUTE 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskRA9PRgfY the tone is still really bright enough for me but it's also more more fuller than the JB and as far as I see he has the Invaders bridge active for the solo. :/
But a weird thing.. I went to hear the demos on the Seymour Duncan site Invader: https://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/invader-bridge and JB: https://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/jb?__uuid_ref=5a820e0bb1141?__uuid_ref=5a820e0bb117d
and am I just nuts or is the tone really close and the invader sounds like the JB but on bridge basically and I don't really hear that full sounds vs on some covers don't know if you would really like to hear it MINUTE 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskRA9PRgfY the tone is still really bright enough for me but it's also more more fuller than the JB and as far as I see he has the Invaders bridge active for the solo. :/
gregory
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
The brightness is a result from the distortion, which gets back to the earlier comment I made earlier about harmonics generated from high gain distortion. If you compare the Invader to a JB you should probably be able to hear the difference in brightness with high gain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FE2PDH61h0
I'd just ending up looking in the usual places for used market.
Selling history on ebay puts them between $40 and $50 if you're patient.
You could opt for a Duncan Designed Detonator which you can find from $30-$40. It should be a perfectly adequate alternative to the Invader that is cheap enough to experiment with.
The brightness is a result from the distortion, which gets back to the earlier comment I made earlier about harmonics generated from high gain distortion. If you compare the Invader to a JB you should probably be able to hear the difference in brightness with high gain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FE2PDH61h0
I'd just ending up looking in the usual places for used market.
Selling history on ebay puts them between $40 and $50 if you're patient.
You could opt for a Duncan Designed Detonator which you can find from $30-$40. It should be a perfectly adequate alternative to the Invader that is cheap enough to experiment with.
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
Seems fine to me! I can also pay a higher price no worries.. but if you have seen the video I would get a full tone such as that perhaps?
jammer669171
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
This isn't a very good comparison. They're using Personus software, through a DAW, through a $2,000 modeler, through a 5150(Peavey or EVH), through a SD OD 805 pedal. Fun to watch, with a good lick, but I wouldn't make a purchase based off of it.
This isn't a very good comparison. They're using Personus software, through a DAW, through a $2,000 modeler, through a 5150(Peavey or EVH), through a SD OD 805 pedal. Fun to watch, with a good lick, but I wouldn't make a purchase based off of it.
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gregory
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Re: ESP with JB Neck/Invader Bridge?
So is it safe to infer you believe the voicing of the JB doesn't make it brighter than the Invader when both are running under the same amount of high gain?
The video aside, that is the matter at hand.
I have no direct experience with the Invader, so I don't know the answer, to be perfectly honest. From what I do know about the Invader there shouldn't be a problem in level pairing one in the bridge with a JB in the neck that can't be addressed by lowering the height of the JB by a reasonable amount.
So is it safe to infer you believe the voicing of the JB doesn't make it brighter than the Invader when both are running under the same amount of high gain?
The video aside, that is the matter at hand.
I have no direct experience with the Invader, so I don't know the answer, to be perfectly honest. From what I do know about the Invader there shouldn't be a problem in level pairing one in the bridge with a JB in the neck that can't be addressed by lowering the height of the JB by a reasonable amount.
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