Ever have a guitar that just won't....

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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but can you do an Out of phase wiring mod with Seths? Like with a push-pull toggle on the tone knob for example.

I have heard WLHs are great in 335s but I am concerned as it seems like a higher output pickup than the Seth.


All you need to wire for phase is a single lead PU, so it can be done with every HB. I've done it on P-90 guitars.

While both are great PU's, I prefer Seth's for the open 3D tone. They're great in 335's. WLH's are pretty warm PU's, especially the neck.
 
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Listening to the clips on the website I do find the WLH to be a bit brighter/less mellow than the Seths (to my ears anyway) and for this guitar, I think I want to tone it down some.

I may give these a shot. Have to find the $$ first tho!

Thank you all very much for the advice and recommendations. I figure I should try one more good setup and a pickup swap before I give up on the axe.
 
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Your luthier didn't do you any favors with the Nashville bridge installation...it's SDRAWKCAB!! LOL!

I could see putting in a set of pickups; Seths or Ants would be my choice, possibly the WLH. Personally, I wouldn't bother with Jimmy Page wiring, phase switches, coil-cutters, etc. I've done this to guitars and never felt like the changes were worth the cost and the effort; in the end I found myself not using the switching options.

One thing to remember is that you may need to think outside the box. Little things...one pickup might need the polepieces high, while the other needs to have them deep set. If something doesn't work, start over.

If you do add pickups, I would upgrade the caps and pots with an RS Kit at the same time. The RS Kits are really good quality. I'd give them a call and see what they recommend for your guitar.

I think you still have some work to do before you change anything. A bone-stock 335 can produce some of the sweetest tones on the planet. You just have to find the guitar's sweet spot.

Bill
 
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He put the nashville in to solve some intonation issues. He explained it as giving the saddles more adjustment travel. It did seem to help.

I actually hate ABR-1 bridges anyway but that's a personal problem.... :-p. They are uncomfortable to me.

I hear you on the out of phase mod, I still want to try it but this probably isn't the guitar for it.
 
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Yeah, I have as well. Had a couple of guitars that I lusted after for years and once I got them, I just couldnt gel with em. Mostly it was just me. Example: Ive always loved Jackson soloists, and I still do, but the necks are just a tad too wide for my comfort. I bought a "2008" model les paul. Chicago Blue. I LOVED the features that model had, (tone pros bridge, neutric jack,flame top) it was a gorgeous guitar and I had to wait months for it to be built.. But tonally, it was a disappointment..
 
Re: Ever have a guitar that just won't....

Yeah, I have as well. Had a couple of guitars that I lusted after for years and once I got them, I just couldnt gel with em. Mostly it was just me. Example: Ive always loved Jackson soloists, and I still do, but the necks are just a tad too wide for my comfort. I bought a "2008" model les paul. Chicago Blue. I LOVED the features that model had, (tone pros bridge, neutric jack,flame top) it was a gorgeous guitar and I had to wait months for it to be built.. But tonally, it was a disappointment..

Did you end up selling that LP, or did you try swapping pickups, etc.?
 
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I had an Ibanez RG1550. There was always something wrong with it.
First, the Edge Pro trem is a ****ty design that should have never made it to the market, even less to the Prestige series. Way more trouble than it was worth.

It sounded alright overall but it didn't wow me. The neck position was meh, and the bridge was OK I guess even with quite Dimarzios and Duncans rolled in both slots. Then I never gelled with the super flat neck radius, the too-wide frets or with the HSH configuration. And the action was a pain to get right. And by the time I figured it out, the frets were worn out so it buzzed a lot.

What a piece of **** of a guitar. I pity the guy who bought it from me.
 
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Try swapping out the electronics first. Depending on age, it may have 300k volumes and the craptacular "memphis tone circuit".. I like 57s just fine in 335s. Do the harness first.

That said, if it doesnt have any mojo unplugged, find one that does.
 
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Try swapping out the electronics first. Depending on age, it may have 300k volumes and the craptacular "memphis tone circuit".. I like 57s just fine in 335s. Do the harness first.

That said, if it doesnt have any mojo unplugged, find one that does.

Can you recommend any good electonics wiring harness?
 
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Ok I am reanimating this thread, because I spent a LOT of time on this guitar today. I realize that:

1) The action is too low. Tech can fix that.

2) Pickups are too bright and have too much pop/snap (stock 57s in both positions). This is even after I lowered them. Even the neck position just seems anemic on low end.

But I love the guitar otherwise. Plays great, excellent upper fret access, love the basic tone of the thing.

I want to keep the woody, honky 335 sound but I want a bit mellower, fuller more low end and less string noise. Seth Lovers were recommended; will this help to round out the tone a little more?

WLH were also recommended here and there also but I'm not sure I want a hotter pup for this guitar, and based on clips it seemed crispier and brighter than the Seths.
 
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I want to keep the woody, honky 335 sound but I want a bit mellower, fuller more low end and less string noise. Seth Lovers were recommended; will this help to round out the tone a little more?

WLH were also recommended here and there also but I'm not sure I want a hotter pup for this guitar, and based on clips it seemed crispier and brighter than the Seths.


WLH's are pretty warm (warmer than Seth's), but that works out if the guitar is bright toned. Another good set are A2P's
 
Ever have a guitar that just won't....

If the guitar was tonally dead, I would agree with everyone else telling you to get rid of it. But you mentioned that it actually sounds good. In that case, you're just dealing with set up issues. Those can be easily dealt with.

It's really a shame that somebody took out the more attractive, solidly mounted, and traditional ABR bridge for one of those ugly and sloppy Nashville ones. Most people would do the opposite with a Gibson. The very slight amount of extra travel on a Nashville bridge is nowhere near worth the replacement. If a guitar is not intonating properly, a few millimeters of extra bridge width aren't going to matter. Tracking down the real problem will. And that problem is likely related to the nut and frets, as well as the set up.

In my experience, all new Gibsons need a new (or modified) nut and a fret dressing immediately after purchase. They simply do not do those things properly at the factory. Their nut slots are at the wrong height, cut at the wrong angle sometimes, and sometimes not even smooth. Their frets are not particularly well polished, not crowned very much (i.e. "boxy"), and very often not even level across the board. They don't properly dress the fret ends, leaving them boxy and sharp. The fret and nut work is pretty much EVERYTHING on a guitar...yet these are the things that Gibson is the worst at doing...because doing these things right takes a lot of time put in by a skilled specialist, and skilled specialist time is big money in a busy factory. Also, truly good intonation is impossible on most new Gibsons, due to their short scale length and inconsistent fret spacing in the higher register (1st-12th fret scale length is different than 12th-22nd fret scale length). Any decent tech should've corrected all of these issues (scale length issues aside) before doing something as extreme as drilling your beautiful guitar to convert to a different -and inferior - style of bridge. You can't do anything worth a **** with intonation - can't even judge it that well - until the guitar's nut and frets are properly tuned up.

In short, it doesn't sound like the thing ever truly got set up properly. By truly set up properly, I mean good nut and good frets before anything. It most certainly didn't happen in the Gibson factory, it most certainly didn't happen at the retailer, and it sounds like it probably didn't happen once you owned it either. You may have got a set up or two at some point, but I don't think they were very comprehensive or well done, based on what you're saying. If it was my guitar, I would have the nut replaced, the frets dressed, and realize that I had screwed up with the Nashville conversion and go back to the original bridge (yes, even with the required wood and finish work to do so). I'd also realize that the intonation on it can't really be "perfect."
 
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I hear you on the setup, I think the guitar needs to be set up again and def. I will ask the guy to look at the nut, which does seem off a bit. The frets seem OK but it's possible some of the fretting out i am experiencing is due to fret problems rather than the action being too low.
 
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Looking at the guitar I am not sure that the tech actually had to modify the guitar to put this bridge on. Maybe I am crazy or the bridge swap was on a different guitar?

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is this a nashville bridge?


It is hard to tell from this picture but the posts look like they just go right into the guitar body and there's no cuff.


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Ever have a guitar that just won't....

Well, that's a relief. He used the ABR-1 posts and thumbwheels, so it's reversible.

That said, with where the saddles are set, I really don't think it was necessary. But at least he didn't do permanent modification to the guitar.
 
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It is coming back to me that he flipped the bridge around (screws face the bridge pup). He may have used a special conversion part so he didn't have to drill new holes.

I know a few different techs here in town. May take it to this one guy who is really good (he has loooong waits though). I think he will be able to evaluate it for me.
 
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I should add that of course, I seem to have lost the original bridge. Any go-to replacement ABR-1 style bridge maker, or is a Gibson OK?

I think he flipped the nashville around to help avoid string rub due to the angle toward the tailpiece. The tailpiece on this guitar is really raised up high on the posts as well.
 
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He probably used one of those specially made Nashville bridges that allows them to be dropped onto ABR threaded posts.

Seeing that he didn't actually drill for Nashville anchors was a relief to me. It really takes away most of my dismay at him having put a Nashville bridge on the guitar. Since he didn't install the lousy Nashville anchors and adjustment posts, there's not a huge functional reason to go back to an ABR-1. You could do it if you prefer them for looks (as I do).

Your tailpiece doesn't look particularly high to me. It's at or below where all of mine are set, and I set mine higher than most.
 
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