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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
OK. What does "live guitar" mean here?
OK. What does "live guitar" mean here?
External soundcard really needed for recording?
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Icarusfire
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
Ok, I managed to make my first recording using LogicX and Boss MicroBr80 as audio interface/amp simulator. Recording wise I think this sucks big
I am open to hear advices
Ok, I managed to make my first recording using LogicX and Boss MicroBr80 as audio interface/amp simulator. Recording wise I think this sucks big
I am open to hear advices
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Funkfingers
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
Are you inviting opinions about latency issues or the guitar sound?
Are you inviting opinions about latency issues or the guitar sound?
Icarusfire
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
all opinions invited please bring it on, drums, guitar sound, mix..etc
all opinions invited please bring it on, drums, guitar sound, mix..etc
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kcrknp
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
Actually doesn't sound bad for a first recording/mix. One thing I will say is that the lead guitar clashes hard with the rhythm guitars, they each need their own place in the frequency spectrum. Lead usually more mids, rhythm usually less mids. I liked the playing though!
Actually doesn't sound bad for a first recording/mix. One thing I will say is that the lead guitar clashes hard with the rhythm guitars, they each need their own place in the frequency spectrum. Lead usually more mids, rhythm usually less mids. I liked the playing though!
Icarusfire
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
Thanks! So for example if my lead setting on amp T:80 M:80 B:50 how would the EQ of the rhyhtm guitar should be?
Thanks! So for example if my lead setting on amp T:80 M:80 B:50 how would the EQ of the rhyhtm guitar should be?
Icarusfire
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
I mean the sound I hear from the headphones(lineout from MicroBr80 here) while recording and playing is better than the sound which is recorded
I mean the sound I hear from the headphones(lineout from MicroBr80 here) while recording and playing is better than the sound which is recorded
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jon the art guy
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
Headphones are coming out of where, the g5 or the laptop? If its the g5, listen to the laptop instead.
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Headphones are coming out of where, the g5 or the laptop? If its the g5, listen to the laptop instead.
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Funkfingers
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
Jon TAG, an Apple iMac is a desktop computer. Judging by the spec that the OP quoted yesterday, it is a fairly recent machine, running at 64-bit.
The Boss Micro BR 80 is a palmtop eight tracker. 24-bit conversion chips, 16-bit replay. It is geared more towards .mp3 files on media cards.
In plain language, the BOSS is lossy as ****. It is a less than ideal input device.
Jon TAG, an Apple iMac is a desktop computer. Judging by the spec that the OP quoted yesterday, it is a fairly recent machine, running at 64-bit.
The Boss Micro BR 80 is a palmtop eight tracker. 24-bit conversion chips, 16-bit replay. It is geared more towards .mp3 files on media cards.
In plain language, the BOSS is lossy as ****. It is a less than ideal input device.
jon the art guy
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
Derp. I should read threads a little more deeply.
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Icarusfire
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
Yes indeed, same specs also true for Zoom G5; 24 bit conversion chips and 16 bit usb audio.
So whats the ideal way to record with these devices? Maybe analog out from boss/zoom and line in to an external soundcard which will 24 bit line out this signal which is better than 16 of course, but as I asked earlier how about the data loss while doing an extra D/A A/D conversion between these devices, you think it will "still" sound better? or identical the sound I directly hear from boss?
Yes indeed, same specs also true for Zoom G5; 24 bit conversion chips and 16 bit usb audio.
So whats the ideal way to record with these devices? Maybe analog out from boss/zoom and line in to an external soundcard which will 24 bit line out this signal which is better than 16 of course, but as I asked earlier how about the data loss while doing an extra D/A A/D conversion between these devices, you think it will "still" sound better? or identical the sound I directly hear from boss?
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Funkfingers
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
@icarusfire. Am I correct to think that you are using the Zoom G5 and BOSS Micro BR 80 devices for their amp modelling capabilities?
If you like digital amplifier modelling, why not employ the better sounding and more easily controllable plug-ins within Apple Logic X? As long as you can get a decent signal into the computer, the software can take care of the rest. It will even remember your settings on a track by track, project by project basis.
This is where an external device such as the Focusrite Sapphire fits in. Guitar > Focusrite > USB or FireWire cable > Logic environment.
@icarusfire. Am I correct to think that you are using the Zoom G5 and BOSS Micro BR 80 devices for their amp modelling capabilities?
If you like digital amplifier modelling, why not employ the better sounding and more easily controllable plug-ins within Apple Logic X? As long as you can get a decent signal into the computer, the software can take care of the rest. It will even remember your settings on a track by track, project by project basis.
This is where an external device such as the Focusrite Sapphire fits in. Guitar > Focusrite > USB or FireWire cable > Logic environment.
Icarusfire
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
Only reason is it is very difficult to get good distortion amp simulation tones that I like from a computer(logic pro, guitar rig..etc) I agree with a better sound card it will sound better, but I just don't think it will be as good as a zoom g5 amp(ok I am biased here) since they have specialized processors for this kind of stuff, of course this is something I can try "when" I have a sound card.
Only reason is it is very difficult to get good distortion amp simulation tones that I like from a computer(logic pro, guitar rig..etc) I agree with a better sound card it will sound better, but I just don't think it will be as good as a zoom g5 amp(ok I am biased here) since they have specialized processors for this kind of stuff, of course this is something I can try "when" I have a sound card.
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kcrknp
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
I would drop the mids on the rhythm to maybe 50 or 40 and see how that sounds. Can't say for sure that would fix the problem, but lowering the mids on the rhythm should help it sit back in the mix.
I would drop the mids on the rhythm to maybe 50 or 40 and see how that sounds. Can't say for sure that would fix the problem, but lowering the mids on the rhythm should help it sit back in the mix.
Icarusfire
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?(update after getting the card)
Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?(update after getting the card)
So today I bought my Focusrite Scarlett audio interface, I was hoping for a better tone/signal but boy I was not expecting it to be amazing. Even tho they both have 24 bit converters and 24 bit usb output, this thing blew the microBR80 out of the water as an audio interface, a noiseless crystal clear sound where I can hear the sound of my wood (guitar's wood to be more precise my friends)
I didn't spend much time tweaking the amp, overdrive and EQ settings in LogicPro yet but there is something I didn't like about the sound; with high gain the palm mutes on low strings and fast playing, like intro of Holy wars from Megadeth. These palm mutes just does not sound natural.. Is this the way it is with digital modeling or any special tweaking I can do to get this right?
Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?(update after getting the card)
So today I bought my Focusrite Scarlett audio interface, I was hoping for a better tone/signal but boy I was not expecting it to be amazing. Even tho they both have 24 bit converters and 24 bit usb output, this thing blew the microBR80 out of the water as an audio interface, a noiseless crystal clear sound where I can hear the sound of my wood (guitar's wood to be more precise my friends)
I didn't spend much time tweaking the amp, overdrive and EQ settings in LogicPro yet but there is something I didn't like about the sound; with high gain the palm mutes on low strings and fast playing, like intro of Holy wars from Megadeth. These palm mutes just does not sound natural.. Is this the way it is with digital modeling or any special tweaking I can do to get this right?
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Funkfingers
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?(update after getting the card)
Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?(update after getting the card)
Focusrite does not **** about. Their gear is utterly professional.
If you have invoked an Apple Logic plug-in amp/effect model, examine the track info panel. This will tell you about the elements that make up the guitar sound preset and the order in which they process the signal.
Very often, the first process on the list will be a Noise Gate. For the high gain modelling simulations, Logic seems to set the Threshold on the high side. This, in turn, nips off part of the attack transient of every phrase that you play. If plectrum noise is part of what you are doing, it would be annoying to have that gated out. It alters the sound and the point in time at which the playing appears to begin.
To adjust the Noise Gate threshold, click on the Noise Gate "button". This will change the "button" so that it divides into three elements - an on/off symbol, a "controls" editing symbol and a pair of up/down arrows for selecting other processes from a list. Click on the middle section with the symbol that looks like two slider/fader controls. Lower the gate threshold until enough of your playing gets through.
In the longer term, once you begin to get the hang of the audio file editing procedures within Logic, it may prove more helpful to mute the audio between guitar phrases in one of two ways. The automatic level editor in each audio track or the Silence function in the Audio File Editor.
Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?(update after getting the card)
Focusrite does not **** about. Their gear is utterly professional.
If you have invoked an Apple Logic plug-in amp/effect model, examine the track info panel. This will tell you about the elements that make up the guitar sound preset and the order in which they process the signal.
Very often, the first process on the list will be a Noise Gate. For the high gain modelling simulations, Logic seems to set the Threshold on the high side. This, in turn, nips off part of the attack transient of every phrase that you play. If plectrum noise is part of what you are doing, it would be annoying to have that gated out. It alters the sound and the point in time at which the playing appears to begin.
To adjust the Noise Gate threshold, click on the Noise Gate "button". This will change the "button" so that it divides into three elements - an on/off symbol, a "controls" editing symbol and a pair of up/down arrows for selecting other processes from a list. Click on the middle section with the symbol that looks like two slider/fader controls. Lower the gate threshold until enough of your playing gets through.
In the longer term, once you begin to get the hang of the audio file editing procedures within Logic, it may prove more helpful to mute the audio between guitar phrases in one of two ways. The automatic level editor in each audio track or the Silence function in the Audio File Editor.
steveparish
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Re: External soundcard really needed for recording?
i use a presonus audiobox and i havent had any problems with it i just hook my mic to it or any instrument. and it just hooks up with a usb cord so there it is super easy to set up. they sell them at guitar center for $150 and it comes with studio one artist which cost $200 so u can always sell that to someone and make some of your money back on it or use it as back up.
i use a presonus audiobox and i havent had any problems with it i just hook my mic to it or any instrument. and it just hooks up with a usb cord so there it is super easy to set up. they sell them at guitar center for $150 and it comes with studio one artist which cost $200 so u can always sell that to someone and make some of your money back on it or use it as back up.
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