Fender EC amps
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thespricket
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At least these sig amps are tasteful and not covered with bullseyes and camo, or red with black and white stripes.
And as for his signature strat, that's at least got a great functioning idea that no other stock strats had at the time.
And powdered toast dude, I'm almost positive anyone who's picked up a guitar under the age of 30 knows who Clapton is.
At least these sig amps are tasteful and not covered with bullseyes and camo, or red with black and white stripes.
And as for his signature strat, that's at least got a great functioning idea that no other stock strats had at the time.
And powdered toast dude, I'm almost positive anyone who's picked up a guitar under the age of 30 knows who Clapton is.
FuseG4
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fender likes to wait for the official release date and then "surprise" everyone when it comes to their website. They don't do the gibson thing with countdown timers, they wait til a full-blown national-chain-store product rollout. At least that's what I've noticed with them recently.
fender likes to wait for the official release date and then "surprise" everyone when it comes to their website. They don't do the gibson thing with countdown timers, they wait til a full-blown national-chain-store product rollout. At least that's what I've noticed with them recently.
Empty Pockets
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need specs on Twin
really want Supersonic Twin in blonde
would ignore everything else to have a brand new tweed twin
need specs on Twin
really want Supersonic Twin in blonde
would ignore everything else to have a brand new tweed twin
the guy who invented fire
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Well, this stired up a lot of emotion!
I'm not saying anything good or bad for the amps or for Fender and I won't at all get involved in the price issue.
I just thought it was cool that Fender is doing a line of signature amps and looks to be adding to vintage designs in cool ways...
As a semi related topic:
I will say this, there are dozens and dozens of tweed clones on the market and if you've ever played through real tweed Fenders from the 50's you'll know that most of the clones really miss the mark in a lot of ways...
Well, this stired up a lot of emotion!
I'm not saying anything good or bad for the amps or for Fender and I won't at all get involved in the price issue.
I just thought it was cool that Fender is doing a line of signature amps and looks to be adding to vintage designs in cool ways...
As a semi related topic:
I will say this, there are dozens and dozens of tweed clones on the market and if you've ever played through real tweed Fenders from the 50's you'll know that most of the clones really miss the mark in a lot of ways...
Re: Fender EC amps
That's an interesting observation. What is it about the clones that seems to come up short?
That's an interesting observation. What is it about the clones that seems to come up short?
ratherdashing
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the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
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Differnet things...
Truth is al those old Fender amps (same for Vox, Marshall whatever) is that they all do sound different from one to another but the interesting thing is that the clones all just never hit the mark.
Personal opinion, a lot of it is internal parts and speakers are a biggie too.
There are also a lot of builders that get hung up on thinsg like transformers...you could build a tweed Fender close using NOS transformers form the 50's but if you put a new speaker in it the sound will be all wrong.
As for the internal parts thats something you could chop up a million ways...
I'll say this...lots of builders make great tweed style amps, most of them are solid, road worthy and sound good but if you ever put them next to a vintage Fender they are louder, cleaner, tighter and the breakup has a completely different character...
Some builders do get VERY close...Kendrick for example can get scarry close but a lot of that has to do with having parts made for their amps and the other big part of it is having been in and out of hundreds of vintage amps over the years, lots of them tweed Fenders and learning things about what makes them tick as well as finding things that were not in written docs and schematics...
Some shmo with a schematic, a soldering iron and a box of parts might build and offer an amp...they might even call it a boutique amp but that doesn't at all mean that they nailed it by any means.
It still amazes me how many "amp builders" out there (and I use the term VERY loosley) build copies of amps they've never even tried...I mean, ask yourself this...how do you expect to make the perfect chicken soup if you've never tried chicken soup?!
Differnet things...
Truth is al those old Fender amps (same for Vox, Marshall whatever) is that they all do sound different from one to another but the interesting thing is that the clones all just never hit the mark.
Personal opinion, a lot of it is internal parts and speakers are a biggie too.
There are also a lot of builders that get hung up on thinsg like transformers...you could build a tweed Fender close using NOS transformers form the 50's but if you put a new speaker in it the sound will be all wrong.
As for the internal parts thats something you could chop up a million ways...
I'll say this...lots of builders make great tweed style amps, most of them are solid, road worthy and sound good but if you ever put them next to a vintage Fender they are louder, cleaner, tighter and the breakup has a completely different character...
Some builders do get VERY close...Kendrick for example can get scarry close but a lot of that has to do with having parts made for their amps and the other big part of it is having been in and out of hundreds of vintage amps over the years, lots of them tweed Fenders and learning things about what makes them tick as well as finding things that were not in written docs and schematics...
Some shmo with a schematic, a soldering iron and a box of parts might build and offer an amp...they might even call it a boutique amp but that doesn't at all mean that they nailed it by any means.
It still amazes me how many "amp builders" out there (and I use the term VERY loosley) build copies of amps they've never even tried...I mean, ask yourself this...how do you expect to make the perfect chicken soup if you've never tried chicken soup?!
Powdered Toast Man
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I see what you're saying, but the problem is you can't make and apples to apples comparison to any of the original amps because they've been sitting around for 50 years, whereas the new production amps have not. So, unless you have a time machine and go back, buy a brand new Tweed amp, and then come back to 2011 and put it side by side with a new production clone, there's no other way to determine if that's what the original Fender amps sounded like when they were on the sales floor.
I know everyone likes to put those amps on a pedestal, however there are some builders who pay very close attention to detail and source high quality components. Not to mention, you can't say that hand built speakers like Weber are not as good as those of yesteryear. There were a wide array of different speakers found in those early Fender amps because Leo used whatever he could get and was affordable.
I see what you're saying, but the problem is you can't make and apples to apples comparison to any of the original amps because they've been sitting around for 50 years, whereas the new production amps have not. So, unless you have a time machine and go back, buy a brand new Tweed amp, and then come back to 2011 and put it side by side with a new production clone, there's no other way to determine if that's what the original Fender amps sounded like when they were on the sales floor.
I know everyone likes to put those amps on a pedestal, however there are some builders who pay very close attention to detail and source high quality components. Not to mention, you can't say that hand built speakers like Weber are not as good as those of yesteryear. There were a wide array of different speakers found in those early Fender amps because Leo used whatever he could get and was affordable.
JeffB
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and bouncing off this point- You are getting one guy's interpretation with HIS ears. Oftentimes these re-creators, are re-creating their "ultimate" whatever tone- it's optimized to THEIR taste, but more often than not doesn't sound like the originals in some signficant way- this is especially true with "booteek" amp clones (especially Marshalls), and pickups. They take one "holy grail" recorded tone, and then dial in their amp or pickup to THAT recorded tone instead of factoring out all the studio magic and listening to an actual piece of equipment they are supposed to be mimicing all by itself. As an example :There are a bazillion factors that can make one Plexi or MF sound vastly different from another- and it's usually the manner in which they are recorded, and put into the mix, though certainly they all have have some slight tonal differences as well from amp to amp.
and bouncing off this point- You are getting one guy's interpretation with HIS ears. Oftentimes these re-creators, are re-creating their "ultimate" whatever tone- it's optimized to THEIR taste, but more often than not doesn't sound like the originals in some signficant way- this is especially true with "booteek" amp clones (especially Marshalls), and pickups. They take one "holy grail" recorded tone, and then dial in their amp or pickup to THAT recorded tone instead of factoring out all the studio magic and listening to an actual piece of equipment they are supposed to be mimicing all by itself. As an example :There are a bazillion factors that can make one Plexi or MF sound vastly different from another- and it's usually the manner in which they are recorded, and put into the mix, though certainly they all have have some slight tonal differences as well from amp to amp.
the guy who invented fire
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Age and change that comes with age are 2 very important factors however there are new amps being built wiht new parts that do sound very much like 50+ year old tweeds it just takes a good ear and a lot of experience...
As for the speakers, it's a big deal to use the right speaker and I can say that new Webers are not as good as whatever old speakers Fender used...mostly because good is a subjective term.
Some folks might thing they sound as good, some might think better, some might think worse...it all just depends I can tell you that based on my experience most of the vintage series Webers sound pretty close but tend to be louder, tighter and puncher...part of this is because they are now part of it is becasue they are more efficient than most of the old speakers and anotehr BIG part of it is that when Ted was desiging them he "fixed" things that he felt like was "wrong" with the original Jensen design.
All that said, this thread is getting WAY off topic...
Age and change that comes with age are 2 very important factors however there are new amps being built wiht new parts that do sound very much like 50+ year old tweeds it just takes a good ear and a lot of experience...
As for the speakers, it's a big deal to use the right speaker and I can say that new Webers are not as good as whatever old speakers Fender used...mostly because good is a subjective term.
Some folks might thing they sound as good, some might think better, some might think worse...it all just depends I can tell you that based on my experience most of the vintage series Webers sound pretty close but tend to be louder, tighter and puncher...part of this is because they are now part of it is becasue they are more efficient than most of the old speakers and anotehr BIG part of it is that when Ted was desiging them he "fixed" things that he felt like was "wrong" with the original Jensen design.
All that said, this thread is getting WAY off topic...
the guy who invented fire
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Re: Fender EC amps
My point is that if an amp builder wants to tweak a design with his ears or build a sonic replica of a specific amp thats fine...my biggest beef is with "boutique amp builders" that download a schematic and buy a handful of parts then build an amp...there is nothing wrong with it but don't expect it sound sound and feel like a real tweed Fender or Marshall or whatever you're building a copy of because chances are good that it won't...
My point is that if an amp builder wants to tweak a design with his ears or build a sonic replica of a specific amp thats fine...my biggest beef is with "boutique amp builders" that download a schematic and buy a handful of parts then build an amp...there is nothing wrong with it but don't expect it sound sound and feel like a real tweed Fender or Marshall or whatever you're building a copy of because chances are good that it won't...
astrozombie
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