Fender/Lawrence SCN's
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rraawwrr
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
Rev - I'll give this a shot tomorrow. I'm all soldered out for the day - I think my brain cell count has dropped enough for one day.
Artie, I think I need work on my multimeter technique, and hopefully, having slept on it, I will do better tomorrow. Everything came out zero.
You guys are saviors :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Rev - I'll give this a shot tomorrow. I'm all soldered out for the day - I think my brain cell count has dropped enough for one day.
Artie, I think I need work on my multimeter technique, and hopefully, having slept on it, I will do better tomorrow. Everything came out zero.
You guys are saviors :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
rraawwrr
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
One more thing before I sign off for real - I previously had the white/yellow/red soldered to the terminals of the switch with the green grounded and black grounded in different lumps on the back of the same pot. That was actually the very first thing I tried about 12 hours ago.
Anywho, should they all be soldered in one lump? I don't think that would make any difference seeing as metal conducts and all that great stuff.
Wish me luck.
One more thing before I sign off for real - I previously had the white/yellow/red soldered to the terminals of the switch with the green grounded and black grounded in different lumps on the back of the same pot. That was actually the very first thing I tried about 12 hours ago.
Anywho, should they all be soldered in one lump? I don't think that would make any difference seeing as metal conducts and all that great stuff.
Wish me luck.
Telesexual
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
are these the pickups that are in the Fender american deluxe series guitar. If so let me know how they sound those guitars look sick for not much more than the american series
are these the pickups that are in the Fender american deluxe series guitar. If so let me know how they sound those guitars look sick for not much more than the american series
Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
Here ya go....
http://www.fender.com/support/diagrams/pdfs/ADSTRAT_VNECK/SD0101302APg2.pdf
Here ya go....
http://www.fender.com/support/diagrams/pdfs/ADSTRAT_VNECK/SD0101302APg2.pdf
rraawwrr
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
Alright tech guys, chew on this: Last night I took the No-load tone pot out of the circuit and substituted the normal tone pot. With the black wires grounded, there was no hum! But alas the pickups weren't picking up anything. Thinking the pups were shorted out, I soldered the blacks with their corresponding white/yellow/red wires. Hum again that goes away when the output jack, switch, etc are touched. This is really a pain in the anus.
Scott, thanks for the diagram. That's for the s-1 switch itself, which I am trying to take out. Perhaps Artie and Rev will find it enlightening.
Telesexual - Yes, these are the pickups in the Am. Dlx. guitars, which are quite nice. They have a great feel and sound pretty nice. In hindsight, I feel that I might have been better off with a Highway 1 with some new pickups thrown in it, either Surfers or now the new Stack Pluses. I may end up getting the Stack Pluses regardless now...
Alright tech guys, chew on this: Last night I took the No-load tone pot out of the circuit and substituted the normal tone pot. With the black wires grounded, there was no hum! But alas the pickups weren't picking up anything. Thinking the pups were shorted out, I soldered the blacks with their corresponding white/yellow/red wires. Hum again that goes away when the output jack, switch, etc are touched. This is really a pain in the anus.
Scott, thanks for the diagram. That's for the s-1 switch itself, which I am trying to take out. Perhaps Artie and Rev will find it enlightening.
Telesexual - Yes, these are the pickups in the Am. Dlx. guitars, which are quite nice. They have a great feel and sound pretty nice. In hindsight, I feel that I might have been better off with a Highway 1 with some new pickups thrown in it, either Surfers or now the new Stack Pluses. I may end up getting the Stack Pluses regardless now...
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strangegrey
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
I'd be very interested to hear the results from this, as I am contemplating the same thing. The SCN's in my tele are fantastic, but the SCN's in my strat have given me a good amount of trouble. I think i've *finally* dialed them in the way I like, and they are starting to sound very good.
The problem is, I find the SCN switch useless, so I might pull it so I can have some more control over how the tone controls operate, giving me more overall control over my tone.
I'm curious, alot of these stacked single coil pups have coil cuts, so that you can get quack positions in notches 2 and 4....could that be what this third wire is? If that's the case, I suspect you're going to need a 4 pole super switch.....
but if it's just a case of summing the green and black together to get it to work, I'd love to hear the results...
-F
I'd be very interested to hear the results from this, as I am contemplating the same thing. The SCN's in my tele are fantastic, but the SCN's in my strat have given me a good amount of trouble. I think i've *finally* dialed them in the way I like, and they are starting to sound very good.
The problem is, I find the SCN switch useless, so I might pull it so I can have some more control over how the tone controls operate, giving me more overall control over my tone.
I'm curious, alot of these stacked single coil pups have coil cuts, so that you can get quack positions in notches 2 and 4....could that be what this third wire is? If that's the case, I suspect you're going to need a 4 pole super switch.....
but if it's just a case of summing the green and black together to get it to work, I'd love to hear the results...
-F
ErikH
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
That diagram that Scott posted the link to is actually very useful here. It is quite obvious that the white/yellow/red wires are the pickups' hot. The green is the ground (all 3 green wires go to the back of the tone pot). The black wire from the middle also goes to ground but the black from the neck and bridge go to the S1 switch. The yellow from the middle also goes to the S-1 switch.
I think Rev is on the right track as to the hot/ground wires, it's a matter of how they work together without the S1 switch. Start with one pickup, the bridge. Wire it up right to the volume pot without the switch, black/green to ground, red to the hot lug, see if it works. If it does, proceed on to the next one. If you have some alligator clips, use those instead to make it easier to test each pickup to make sure they all are OK.
You may need to replace the lever switch with a traditional 5-way. That one looks to have many lugs that are needed for the S1 switching system, a superswitch really.
That diagram that Scott posted the link to is actually very useful here. It is quite obvious that the white/yellow/red wires are the pickups' hot. The green is the ground (all 3 green wires go to the back of the tone pot). The black wire from the middle also goes to ground but the black from the neck and bridge go to the S1 switch. The yellow from the middle also goes to the S-1 switch.
I think Rev is on the right track as to the hot/ground wires, it's a matter of how they work together without the S1 switch. Start with one pickup, the bridge. Wire it up right to the volume pot without the switch, black/green to ground, red to the hot lug, see if it works. If it does, proceed on to the next one. If you have some alligator clips, use those instead to make it easier to test each pickup to make sure they all are OK.
You may need to replace the lever switch with a traditional 5-way. That one looks to have many lugs that are needed for the S1 switching system, a superswitch really.
ErikH
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
Just follow the lines. It's easy to get crisscrossed on these diagrams sometimes. Especially when they are black and white. I wish they would do them in color like Duncan does.ArtieToo said:Hey . . . you're right. I can't tell you how long I looked at that last night and thought the middle green went somewhere else. Now I'll have to study this some more.
strangegrey
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
rraawwrr,
I'm curious, did you ever get this thing worked out?
-Frank
rraawwrr,
I'm curious, did you ever get this thing worked out?
-Frank
strangegrey
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
Well, I'll bump one more time, before giving up!
Well, I'll bump one more time, before giving up!
Or at least neater versions of them. LOL.
strangegrey
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
Thanks Artie...can't wait!
-Frank
ArtieToo said:He's mailed the pickguard and pups to me. I'll work it out in the "lab".
Artie
Edit: . . . and report back.
Thanks Artie...can't wait!
-Frank
Artie
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Re: Fender/Lawrence SCN's
Pickgaurd arrived today, got the meter out . . . and the Rev was correct.
The colored wires are the "hots", black are coil grounds, green's are "chassis" grounds. The greens have no connection to the coils at all, but they do ground the pole pieces.
So . . . the only question now is: rraawwrr, do you just want this whole thing wired as a conventional Strat now?
Let me know. (I think thats what you asked me in the PM.)
Artie
btw, the specs are:
neck: 6.38k
middle: 6.62k
bridge: 11.37k
Rev Donzo said:
Pickgaurd arrived today, got the meter out . . . and the Rev was correct.
The colored wires are the "hots", black are coil grounds, green's are "chassis" grounds. The greens have no connection to the coils at all, but they do ground the pole pieces.
So . . . the only question now is: rraawwrr, do you just want this whole thing wired as a conventional Strat now?
Let me know. (I think thats what you asked me in the PM.)
Artie
btw, the specs are:
neck: 6.38k
middle: 6.62k
bridge: 11.37k
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