Finally got to plug into a Bogner

[Agileguy_101]

So I went to pick up my strat from the shop yesterday. I had it routed it for humbuckers (more on that later this week). While I was there, I was perusing a bit. It's a pretty small shop - maybe 20 feet wide, but it goes down a bit. Their new selection isn't bad by any means, but they do consignments, and great stuff is always there. Some good deals, some bad. There was a 1947 L7 there for IIRC sub 2k.

Anyway, while I was perusing, a guy was messing with a Bogner Uberschall that he brought in because he thought there was a problem with it. After he and the shop owner ascertained that it was A-okay, he was playing with it a bit, plugged into a Reinhold 2x12. Tone was pretty good, but not nearly as good as I had heard Bogners hyped to be on teh interwebz.

Just our luck - I happened to notice an Avatar 2x12 behind him that was built to Bogner OS specs. I convinced him to plug in, and after a bit, he stood back and let me play it so he could hear how it sounded. I grabbed a 80's MIJ Fender in Olympic White (sexay) with an unknown set of Bareknuckle single coils (more on that one next month).

ZOMG.

Seriously...

HORY SHET.

I had one of those moments, you know - you plug in, you start playing, and within seconds, you just stop because it sounds SO GOD DAMN GOOD. I said "wow" out loud. Many times.

I was in awe of how good it sounded. I didn't play too much on the clean channel - it was a sin to turn off that good of a tone. God, with just that guitar, I even need any pedals - it was all in my fingers. The bareknuckles translated my dynamics so well, that I barely even needed to touch the guitar volume to clean up. What a sound.

It was so good, that I convinced the guy who owned the Bogner to plunk down his card to buy that cabinet right then and there. I was flattered - it's always nice to know that you're not the only one that likes your tone.

Anyway, consider me a Bogner fanboi. And expect a NGD within a month.

 

[FuseG4]

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I'd love to play some high end amps. The best stuff I've gotten to demo so far has been Mesa. What can I say? There don't seem to be a lot of boutique amp dealers in salt lake. If they're here, I haven't sound them yet.
I had better not go searching for Bogners to play though, I do NOT need more GAS.

 

[philthis]

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I like the tone of the XTC plexi channel but as you guys know, its nice to have that fat grind once in a wile. My clean tone is a Fender Twin 75 or earlier. When I pluged into the Twin Jet I knew I found it. Its got the plexi tone and an extra grind channel for those chuga chuga tunes. Its also simple, not a bunch of junk added into the amp to screw up the pure tone. With my 2 2/12 vin30's cabs its pure tone sex. If I want an even thicker fat tone I hit the vintage switch on the cabs and presto, fat vintage clip tone at a lower volumn. For me the Twin Jet is a god send.

 

[LatsMcGee]

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I've been lucky enough to plug into a few Uberschalls and man they were awesome, if I was ever in a gigging band again I would have a tough choice between a bogner and an old pittbull.....

 

[Bludave]

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The Ubbers are nice..... The Extacy is the way to go IMHO. Way more versatile & a lot more options. I have a good buddy that has both... He has only had the Extacy a few months but man he loves it. Me..... well I like my Shiva but if the Xtacy fell into my lap I would take it.

 

[Agileguy_101]

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The XTC would probably be too much for me. I'm a set it and forget it kind of guy - my amp only has three knobs. The uber is really nice, and if I were going for a modern hard rock/metal sound, I'd go for that over the Uber. Or maybe a VHT.

Anyway, yeah. It was amazing. I wonder how much of it was the cab. Maybe I need to compare my cab to other cabs. Either way, Bogners are magical.

 

[uOpt]

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Tempted by a Shiva but it costs as much as a vintage... well pretty much anything.

 

[Agileguy_101]

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Tempted by a Shiva but it costs as much as a vintage... well pretty much anything.

There's one on my local craiglslist - 6L6 model with reverb - for $1500. Pretty good deal IMO. They can be had pretty cheaply.

 

[uOpt]

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There's one on my local craiglslist - 6L6 model with reverb - for $1500. Pretty good deal IMO. They can be had pretty cheaply.

I payed less for my 1964 Super Reverb

ETA: but then it's not very METAL :headbang::headbang::headbang::chairshot:chairshot

 

[Bludave]

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That's about what I paid for my Shiva. It depends on what it is. Mine is a 1 12" combo with El34's. Its a really good sounding amp. If I had to do it all over again I would have gotten a head. The combo is way to heavy where a head and cab is a lot more manageable. the head also has an Ohm switch where my combo will only accept either 1 8ohm or 2 4 ohm extension speakers. The heads have a touch more versatility & you can adjust your voicing by using different cabinets. I am waiting for an XTC for the right price and I think I will go for one. has to be the right price though. there was one here (Head and cab) the guy wanted $2800 for the head alone! yikes! way too much for a used head IMHO!

 

[Gearjoneser]

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I've plugged into my Ecstasy almost every day for 10 years. I still like it as much today as I did the first week of owning it.....probably even more.

It's like the entire history of Marshall packed into one amp, and then some. And cabs are a huge part of the overall sound quality.

 

[speed2dirt]

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I played an Uberschall through an Orange 4x12 cab at Guitar Center. It sounded too thick and modern. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it was missing the Marshall bite. Is that what the Uberschall is aimed at or was it the cab making it sound heavy with not much bite/presence? I really wanted to like it, but just didn't. My Shiva boosted seems more aggressive and can cut through the mix. I'd love to demo an Ecstasy, just for comparison purposes.

 

[ItsaBass]

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What amps are you used to playing?

 

[Agileguy_101]

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What amps are you used to playing?

If you're talking to me - a 68 bassman and a Dr Z Sr 65.

 

[Diego]

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Nice! I just can't imagine what the Uber should sound like.
I'm glad you experienced the same ZOMFG shock I did.

That Shiva I tried (2x12 6L6 combo) just blew me away. And I tried it with a stock import G&L Strat.

I've never heard anything like it since. Magical, three-dimensional, and the most harmonically-rich overdrive I've ever heard.

Glad you joined the fanboi club!

 

[richard parker]

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Welcome to Bare Knuckles.

 

[NT02]

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The price on Shivas is dropping. Everything really, but Shivas aren't selling so well for $1500 anymore. I just let a mint newer model go for $1275. I only paid $1300 about 8 months ago.
Awesome amp. Best clean ever. Gain is good up to hard rock, but not tight or articulate for the faster stuff.

 

[3'scompany]

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The Uberschall is no joke. And if you thought the 2x12 sounded good, just imagine if you plugged into the uberkab

 

[Agileguy_101]

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The Uberschall is no joke. And if you thought the 2x12 sounded good, just imagine if you plugged into the uberkab

But I just changed, I don't want to jizz my pants

 

[Red_Label]

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But I just changed, I don't want to jizz my pants

Better not plug into an Uberkab then!

The Uberkab sounds SO fat and HUGE. I've got the Bogner OS2X12, as well as Marshall 1960A and B cabs. But the Uberkab puts them all to shame. I don't like hauling mine, because I want it to stay mint. I've already put a nick in there that I had to glue back down. At any rate, the tone of the Uberkab is such that I choose to take my chances and haul it to gigs anyways. I was gonna take my OS2X12 to tomorrow night's gig, but as usual -- it's gonna be the Uber there (with my XTC Classic sitting on top of it).

BTW... welcome to the Bogner fanboy club! I've been a fanboy for about 12 years now. Finally picked-up a Shiva about a year and a half ago, and then sold it about a year ago when my XTC fell into my lap (paid $2200 for it mint). It took my several weeks of tweaking to get the XTC the way I wanted it. Whereas the Shiva was a simple set-it-and-forget-it type of amp. Both are awesome amps. I also had a friend's Uberschall Twin Jet over at my house and it rules too. I wouldn't trade my XTC for one. But I have considered selling my VHT Pittbull Ultra Lead and picking one up. Actually, at the present I'm thinking of selling the Pittbull and picking-up a 20th Anniversary Shiva.