floyd rose or not ?

[always SD]

hi
I had several original floyd rose and a floyd rose special

The floyd rose special did not last but it was flexible
And light
We could make superb effects with it and with the bar: it was soft
i could play all the styles : vintage, Satriani, like the wind with a note, Jeff Beck

The floyd rose is more tense with the bar: we can do less Jeff Beck effects

I wonder if removing the floyd rose to put a frx would not be the best thing to do if we can = a slightly more flexible floyd = to have vintage effects to modern
with a soft movement so not like a floyd rose

Too hard to have a wide range of effects with the floyd rose original

The floyd rose special was more flexible so we could modulate the sounds
to have any kind of effect, from the softest and slowest to the hardest and fastest

to resume it means from Jeff Beck to Hank Marvin to Satriani to Hackett
with the floyd rose it's not the same : the vintage style comes too fast with the bar

the tension is another aspect with the springs too

so for me, my lp +floyd rose is not the best : the floyd or springs should be different to be great
so imagine if i had bought a gibson lp custom axcess floyd rose
big big price ! for not the best results about the floyd rose if it 's the same with the same springs for example (vs the studio model)

 

[kramersteen]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

Do two people play this guitar at once or something?

 

[greekdude]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

hi
I had several original floyd rose and a floyd rose special

The floyd rose special did not last but it was flexible
And light
We could make superb effects with it and with the bar: it was soft
i could do what i want: vintage, Satriani, like the wind with a note, Jeff Beck

The floyd rose is more tense with the bar: we can do less Jeff Beck effects

I wonder if removing the floyd rose to put a frx would not be the best thing to do if we can = a slightly more flexible floyd = to have vintage effects to modern
with a soft movement so not like a floyd rose

Too hard to have a wide range of effects with the floyd rose original

The floyd rose special was more flexible so we could modulate the sounds
to have any kind of effect, from the softest and slowest to the hardest and fastest

think about the physics of it. In both cases (FRO, FRS) you got strings, springs, a floating system contacting only two pivot points. How much could FRO differ from FRS? Put same strings and springs, set it up identically and you'll get the same flexibility.

 

[always SD]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

a luthier told me a floyd rose special was " better" for what i liked = not so hard like a floyd rose original
so it's a specific floyd rose but not good quality

the gauge strings i had = 10-46 with the fr special so not light strings= no problem with the bar

and 9-46 with the floyd rose original so, light strings so it could be easier to use it and no

so i think it can be about the springs, yes (so hard to find light springs)

or just the floyd rose itself

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

I'd learn how to bend 0.09-0.42 on a Strat first before investing in a Floyd.

 

[AlexR]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

Operation of any floating system, as has been pointed out once already, is based on string vs spring tension. They must be equal. It matters not about the springs themselves so much as the tension you have to overcome to use it.
And also the shape of the bar too.

 

[darthphineas]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

can you go into detail about what is meant by "flexible"?

FR pays the Asian factory about $20 for a complete FR Special unit. it just doesn't hold up, although it's as good as many/most licensed versions out there (that also don't hold up). if the FRS works for you, then great... knowing that you'll be replacing parts, or the entire unit, more often than a German FR made by Schaller.


however, from the way it sounds, it comes off as an issue with the spring tension. try other springs (real springs, not the color coded ones one place tries to sell). also look at the length of the block, as longer or shorter can also affect the spring pull, affecting the tension.


or... just practice more on the better-made Floyd to learn how to get it to do what you want it to do.

 

[dave74]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

It's obviously setup differently in some way. It's not the unit itself that differs in function.
Springs/strings are different in some way. Could be the number, the configuration, the spring lengths.
The springs themselves might be a different "gauge" or material.

 

[AlexR]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

Spring length/construction will affect either the start or the finish.....the way it 'ramps up'. But as has been said it is purely a practice issue - learning how you use the trem in question.

But thats a universal point on guitars in general. Practically every individual one is different, and you have to learn how to adaprt. A complete player is able to learn new techniques to make different bits of hardware do what they want.

 

[darthphineas]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

But thats a universal point on guitars in general. Practically every individual one is different, and you have to learn how to adaprt. A complete player is able to learn new techniques to make different bits of hardware do what they want.

^^^ this ^^^

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Re: floyd rose or not ?

Why don't you replace the springs with rubber bands? I guarantee you, everything from Steve Vai to Lil' Wayne will be very easy.