Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

[Masta' C]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

I'm TOTALLY cool with you pitching your product if you also try to be a constructive part of the forum and the discussion. Since you're a seller, that should at least mean answering questions and providing info beyond just the copied website script.

You may not have considered this, but every question is a sales opportunity

As I said early on, I like the idea behind the product. I even like the way it looks! I also like that you found a resourceful way to repurpose readily available granite materials instead of supporting the even greater earth-destructing methods used to source the various metals found in most competing products!

However, avoiding answering realistic questions/concerns by posting more unrelated sales material isn't going to win anyone over. We're obviously smarter than that.

To be clear: No one here has suggested that your product doesn't make a difference.

But experienced players ARE wondering just how much difference your product really makes. You're the one who put forward the "30%" claim, not us, yet you still haven't provided any tangible proof. Only opinions, and, even then, there was no mention of a "30% improvement" and only one person suggested an alleged increase in signal strength.

As for price, thank you for clarifying the pricing limitations because of the Floyd Rose distributorship. That makes far more sense than your original comments.

I think you have a good quality and innovative product on your hands. If it wasn't the price of a Seymour Duncan pickup and a nice dinner, I'd be all over it

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

...A one-man operation has as much right to make as much money off each sale as Exxon does each gallon of gas at the pump.

I never suggested that he couldn't or shouldn't make a profit.

Not only do I hope he makes a profit, I genuinely hope he can sustain a successful business with this innovation!

 

[greekdude]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

In the Orthodox balkans graves are made of granite or marble. Fans of death metal place your orders :13:.
In the meantime, some actual tests/waveforms/osciliscope results and numbers proving the increase in sustain would be good.

Do you make anything for Ibanez Edge Zero II-7 (not the ZPS version)???

 

[kramersteen]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

I would love to try one.

What a rock'n Idea

 

[kramersteen]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

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It's really great to hear Chris Poland tell me he has finally achieved world class tone since he installed his 37mm Rock Block.
"I couldn't play without a Stone Tone Tremolo Block now that I've started using them. It's like icing on the cake".
-Chris Poland (Megadeth, Ohm)

SOLD!

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

I would be interested to read the opinions of Zerberus about this topic.

 

[Stonetone® Products]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

I am a skeptic when it comes to changing the tremolo block to improve the tone of your guitar. And for this particular stone rock, 120 bucks would buy me any industry standard SD or DiMarzio pairs with objective, proven results, plus several sets of new strings. I guarantee you, my tone will improve far beyond 30 percent.

Living on a tight budget I can see how $120.00 could be allot for many folks especially those who never tried one. But until you rock it you cant knock it. It will be the best 120.00 you ever spent, ask someone who uses one..

 

[Rand-O-Monium]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

A li'l too rich for my blood(but most things are anymore),but I like that you're pushing the envelope.

Best of with your venture!

 

[Stonetone® Products]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

Here is a young man that both Stone Tone and Floyd Rose recently endorsed.
His Dean Jacky Vincent guitar in this video Is equipped with a 32mm Rock Block



Tyler Drew Morris is a 17 year old teenage guitar prodigy from the suburbs of Boston, Massachusetts. Tyler has played with various artists including Sammy Hagar, Vince Neil, Phil Collen, Yngwie J. Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Rudy Sarzo, Robert Sarzo, Leslie West, Mark Farnar, Ronnie Montrose, Kip Winger, Skunk Baxter, Brent Fitz, Lita Ford, George Lynch, Ritchie Kotzen, Bruce Kulick, Joe Stump, Mark Hudson, Fred Coury, Robert Marcello, Gary Hoey, Robben Ford, Joey Stefko, Kasim Sulton, Sandy Genarro, Juma Sultan, Teddy Andreadis, Rob Affusso, Gary King, as well as many others in the local Boston Music Scene. Tyler has been on stage at the Hollywood House of Blues, The Gibson Hollywood Showroom, The Bethel Woods Woodstock Performance Center, The Cutting Room in Manhattan, BB King’s Blues Club in West Palm Beach, BB King’s Blues Club in New York, The Cutting Room New York, The Hard Rock Cafe Boston, Tupelo Music Hall, Fusion 5, The Tavern, The Sea Note, as well as many other places in and around the Boston. Tyler has recorded with Eddie Kramer at East West Studios in Hollywood, Waterville Studios, Taylor Barefoot Productions and Mad Oak Studios. In January of 2015, Tyler released his debut album, “And So It Begins”, which was featured in Guitar Player Magazine, Vintage Guitar Magazine, Heavy Riff Magazine in Mexico, Gitar Plus Magazine in Asia, Metal to Infinity and Korea Guitar as well as many other online Magazines and media outlets. Tyler currently performs in the local Boston area 3-5 times a week.


"Stone Tone Blocks make your guitar scream with a clearer and crispier tone.
They add more vibe to your overall sound and improve the texture and sustain of your vibrato and even faster notes.
Get rid of your muddy grit and replace it with audible smooth tone!!"
- Tyler Morris

 

[Stonetone® Products]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

I'm TOTALLY cool with you pitching your product if you also try to be a constructive part of the forum and the discussion. Since you're a seller, that should at least mean answering questions and providing info beyond just the copied website script.

You may not have considered this, but every question is a sales opportunity

As I said early on, I like the idea behind the product. I even like the way it looks! I also like that you found a resourceful way to repurpose readily available granite materials instead of supporting the even greater earth-destructing methods used to source the various metals found in most competing products!

However, avoiding answering realistic questions/concerns by posting more unrelated sales material isn't going to win anyone over. We're obviously smarter than that.

To be clear: No one here has suggested that your product doesn't make a difference.

But experienced players ARE wondering just how much difference your product really makes. You're the one who put forward the "30%" claim, not us, yet you still haven't provided any tangible proof. Only opinions, and, even then, there was no mention of a "30% improvement" and only one person suggested an alleged increase in signal strength.

As for price, thank you for clarifying the pricing limitations because of the Floyd Rose distributorship. That makes far more sense than your original comments.

I think you have a good quality and innovative product on your hands. If it wasn't the price of a Seymour Duncan pickup and a nice dinner, I'd be all over it

The decreased signal loss by 30% that you are referring to is what Floyd Rose determined after long extensive tests they did and several we're provided by me when I approached the company back 2011. Those tests we're done by SONIC LLC in England and they measure the waveforms/frequencies of what is present when a note is played in reference to another guitar that is stock. The surface tension of water ripples in a effect that high speed cameras capture that data which visually relates to what frequencies/waveforms are present based on the patterns generated from each test of non rock block and rock block. The outer perimeter of the circle of water is the lowest frequency and the center would be the highest. As every note has 10 partials this test shows what is present and whats not. Also, waveform generators (pro tools etc...)as Steve henning (mentioned in his quote) when he recorded the 2 block comparisons how he said that the meters showed much more input strength.. There is another result of the improved signal path to the source, amp, recording device so on. The tests I did with SONIC LLC is proprietary data I cannot share the video(s) tests, since I don't have the license from the company to post it publicly. That license is very expensive so the cost of these tests itself warrant me to only utilize this data related to my patents that will constitute a contract as I did with Floyd Rose so that I can show and explain the certain scientific aspects of this technology through test as I did but cannot divulge that video data in the public domain. Hope you understand.

 

[Stonetone® Products]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

A li'l too rich for my blood(but most things are anymore),but I like that you're pushing the envelope.

Best of with your venture!

Thank you

 

[Stonetone® Products]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

I would be interested to read the opinions of Zerberus about this topic.

Yea, so would I.
Saw them @ Namm recently...
They had some interesting guitars, reminded me when I brought mine to Winter Namm.
Asked if they had patents, They seemed a little hesitant.
I checked the USPTO and nothing..
I have been a Namm member since 2005 our first Showing..

 

[Stonetone® Products]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

Also, who cares how smooth the surface is once it's inside the axe?

You'd be surprised how some artists are picky and wanted their Name laserd on the spring hole side completely polished on ALL sides..
We cater to all the needs of our customers.
Custom is just that and we welcome any folks who have ideas and want their block different than the norm..

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

From personal experience, upgrading the trem block on a guitar improved the guitar. High quality steel and brass definitely improved sustain and made the guitars sound more full to my A/B testing...sounded "better" but was hard to nail down exactly how. And that's not to say that cheap compound trem blocks are worthless and suck out the tone. Graphs/charts showing A/B testing of guitars would be a nice touch to add...I highly doubt Floyd Rose will be giving any of their data on how they came up with the 30% number (not doubting them, just saying.)

I think the the price point of $120 is pretty pricey as I've paid roughly $50+/- for big brass blocks BUT I admire American Manufacturing and as an Accountant I understand the ridiculous cost of manufacturing in the USA compared to elsewhere.

It would be awesome to try one–I'm very intrigued. At the OP, do these fit the non-fine tuner Floyds?

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

Back to the Stoneage....
All 120$ of them

 

[jmh151]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

For $120 the difference should be guaranteed- which is why I haven't tried titanium big blocks or saddles-

 

[LLL]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

ROFL

I've seen this exact same thread on RigTalk.

Started the same... the same "who the hell are you?" questions... the same "BS!" statements...
...the same "you can't fool me I'm a guitar genius!" protestations...

Just you wait... watch what happens as the story unfolds...

BUAHAHA

pcorn:

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

Mr. StoneTone, if you've really been in business since 2005 and people are still asking the same questions 11 years later, you might want to change your marketing approach

I had to look up some of the RigTalk stuff... Looks like there have been many people with the exact same questions/concerns (and the same frustrations in getting answers and "proof" from the OP to support his claims) over the years.

On the other hand, one user who got to try the block posted these graphs:

The first EQ curve is the A string 440hz on the bridge pickup. Stonetone is white, brass is purple.

The second curve is a strumming passage on the bridge pickup. Stonetone is blue, brass is yellow.

And there is this comparison video on YouTube:




Here's what I believe is happening:

The increased mass combined with the softer lead alloy contact surfaces serve to dampen stray resonance through the block and springs. This results in more vibration directed through the pivot posts (explains the louder unplugged sound and more vibration felt through the body), reduced stray harmonics (hence the "clearer" sound) and a subtle brightening of the tone (which will make it feel more open and dynamic).

The stone block is probably a great way to add clarity to a trem-equipped guitar that isn't already too bright. I think the "genius" is in the high-mass and soft mating material. I have a feeling a firmer contact surface with greater transference properties like stainless or brass would yield less desirable results.

Like I said, I love the idea, I just hate the dodging, excuses and assumption that no one else has a clue. Oh, and the price

 

[Lucy Diamond]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

:wall:


:bad:

 

[greekdude]

Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

Mr. StoneTone, if you've really been in business since 2005 and people are still asking the same questions 11 years later, you might want to change your marketing approach

I had to look up some of the RigTalk stuff... Looks like there have been many people with the exact same questions/concerns (and the same frustrations in getting answers and "proof" from the OP to support his claims) over the years.

On the other hand, one user who got to try the block posted these graphs:




And there is this comparison video on YouTube:




Here's what I believe is happening:

The increased mass combined with the softer lead alloy contact surfaces serve to dampen stray resonance through the block and springs. This results in more vibration directed through the pivot posts (explains the louder unplugged sound and more vibration felt through the body), reduced stray harmonics (hence the "clearer" sound) and a subtle brightening of the tone (which will make it feel more open and dynamic).

The stone block is probably a great way to add clarity to a trem-equipped guitar that isn't already too bright. I think the "genius" is in the high-mass and soft mating material. I have a feeling a firmer contact surface with greater transference properties like stainless or brass would yield less desirable results.

Like I said, I love the idea, I just hate the dodging, excuses and assumption that no one else has a clue. Oh, and the price

The difference in the video is huge. What can I say, the guy (the shredder) seems a decent guy, I hope he didn't press any booster button.

Just a question, I don't quite understand the graphs, is there a time axis? I see different scales on the left and right DB axis. Can you shed some light?