Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

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Re: Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

From personal experience, upgrading the trem block on a guitar improved the guitar. High quality steel and brass definitely improved sustain and made the guitars sound more full to my A/B testing...sounded "better" but was hard to nail down exactly how. And that's not to say that cheap compound trem blocks are worthless and suck out the tone. Graphs/charts showing A/B testing of guitars would be a nice touch to add...I highly doubt Floyd Rose will be giving any of their data on how they came up with the 30% number (not doubting them, just saying.)

I think the the price point of $120 is pretty pricey as I've paid roughly $50+/- for big brass blocks BUT I admire American Manufacturing and as an Accountant I understand the ridiculous cost of manufacturing in the USA compared to elsewhere.


It would be awesome to try one–I'm very intrigued. At the OP, do these fit the non-fine tuner Floyds?

The science behind how they work gets deep and complex and so it's best to stick to the attributes of the block than the science.

Yes, they do work with the Floyd Non- Fine tuner tremolos. Here is an artist that uses them and is endorsed by Stone Tone and Floyd Rose. http://www.floydrose.com/artists/dean-cascione If you need any additional information you can contact me from the links on my signature or here.

 

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For $120 the difference should be guaranteed- which is why I haven't tried titanium big blocks or saddles-

We have a refund policy on both the Floyd site and the stone Tone site. Purchasing the Rock Block the results are guaranteed and then some...:headbang:

 

[treyhaislip]

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The science behind how they work gets deep and complex and so it's best to stick to the attributes of the block than the science.

To be honest, this sounds like a snake oil salesman answer.

I'm not calling you one just saying your response comes across like you don't have science behind your product to back up the claims.

Yes, they do work with the Floyd Non- Fine tuner tremolos. Here is an artist that uses them and is endorsed by Stone Tone and Floyd Rose. http://www.floydrose.com/artists/dean-cascione If you need any additional information you can contact me from the links on my signature or here.

Thank you for the information! Have a non-fine tuner floyd I am looking to upgrade the block on, open to options other than brass.

 

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ROFL

I've seen this exact same thread on RigTalk.

Started the same... the same "who the hell are you?" questions... the same "BS!" statements...
...the same "you can't fool me I'm a guitar genius!" protestations...

Just you wait... watch what happens as the story unfolds...

BUAHAHA

pcorn:

LOL that's right LLL and how did it end? It ended when the forums well known buddy Steve Henning purchased a 32mm rock block for his personal build when everyone was expecting doom n gloom report when infact got the complete opposite.. Trying the block speaks for itself, no hype no snake oil just utilizing a mineral that still retains all the natural integrity in which it was created and is the optimum transducer for any stringed instrument comprised of a bridge system.

 

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To be honest, this sounds like a snake oil salesman answer.

I'm not calling you one just saying your response comes across like you don't have science behind your product to back up the claims.




Thank you for the information! Have a non-fine tuner floyd I am looking to upgrade the block on, open to options other than brass.

Seriously? I have ALL the science as I did more than my share of research and have no reason to share any of it on any public domain. If you are familiar with intellectual property then you would understand. Contact Floyd Rose and ask the same questions as you are here and see what they tell you. Your assumptions are way off. The only snake oil is the baseless rants. It's a common thing and if thats your opinion that's just fine. Brass is 35 to 50 and it has a difference in performance like the other metal blocks yet you get what you pay for. Those non fine tuner trems are sweet !

 

[treyhaislip]

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Seriously? I have ALL the science as I did more than my share of research and have no reason to share any of it on any public domain. If you are familiar with intellectual property then you would understand. Contact Floyd Rose and ask the same questions as you are here and see what they tell you. Your assumptions are way off. The only snake oil is the baseless rants. It's a common thing and if thats your opinion that's just fine. Brass is 35 to 50 and it has a difference in performance like the other metal blocks yet you get what you pay for. Those non fine tuner trems are sweet !

Easy there bro, I'm not attacking you, your products or your science. I said "comes across"...never said "you don't have any science".

I was just trying to help you out–your response basically summed up (to me at least) "its too complicated for you to understand, just trust me"...which is the argument of a snake oil salesman.

That is all I was saying. As mentioned above, every question (and I would add your response) is a sales scenario and on a forum like this for aftermarket upgrades you have the potential to gain customers or turn them away.

 

[Stonetone® Products]

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Easy there bro, I'm not attacking you, your products or your science. I said "comes across"...never said "you don't have any science".

I was just trying to help you out–your response basically summed up (to me at least) "its too complicated for you to understand, just trust me"...which is the argument of a snake oil salesman.

That is all I was saying. As mentioned above, every question (and I would add your response) is a sales scenario and on a forum like this for aftermarket upgrades you have the potential to gain customers or turn them away.

All good Trey, You need info help, etc? That's the sole purpose why i am here.

 

[uOpt]

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The decreased signal loss by 30% that you are referring to is what Floyd Rose determined after long extensive tests they did and several we're provided by me when I approached the company back 2011. Those tests we're done by SONIC LLC in England and they measure the waveforms/frequencies of what is present when a note is played in reference to another guitar that is stock. The surface tension of water ripples in a effect that high speed cameras capture that data which visually relates to what frequencies/waveforms are present based on the patterns generated from each test of non rock block and rock block. The outer perimeter of the circle of water is the lowest frequency and the center would be the highest. As every note has 10 partials this test shows what is present and whats not. Also, waveform generators (pro tools etc...)as Steve henning (mentioned in his quote) when he recorded the 2 block comparisons how he said that the meters showed much more input strength.. There is another result of the improved signal path to the source, amp, recording device so on. The tests I did with SONIC LLC is proprietary data I cannot share the video(s) tests, since I don't have the license from the company to post it publicly. That license is very expensive so the cost of these tests itself warrant me to only utilize this data related to my patents that will constitute a contract as I did with Floyd Rose so that I can show and explain the certain scientific aspects of this technology through test as I did but cannot divulge that video data in the public domain. Hope you understand.

"proprietary data". Whatever you/they say.

Did they at least do this ... test?... on the two guitars before they replaced one block and verified that the difference, whatever it is, was close to 0% at the time?

 

[dave74]

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It might be awhile before I try one, but really $120 isn't crap considering all the other million things we do for small tone changes/improvements,,,,,,like magnets and amps and such lol.
Cool product IMO.



p.s. ; guys who don't like it don't have to buy it,,,,,,why all the whining?

 

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Let me be clear to all that may misunderstand divulging the science of this product.
The reason to have patents and trademarks is to protect the proprietary data.
In a simple explanation to your question on how does the specific granite we use do what it does?
Answer is when the granite is under pressure and simultaneously vibrating results in moving the atoms within the atomic structure of the stone.
More mass and pressure of this transducing material the bigger the performance.

The biggest difference to date was the treble bridge of the baby and grand pianos I did back 2009. With all the down bearing pressure on the stone and the mass of the bridge created so much resonance that we had to put dampers on all 88 keys because the treble notes in the last 3 octaves we're so strong they wouldn't stop ringing out. I know this is about guitars here yet if any of you want to hear a 126k new Fazioli 6'3' premium grand piano compared to my entry level grand QRS Story n Clark 5'1" baby grand performed by our Spokesperson Dr. Richard Bosworth, you will hear the clarity and sustain instantly.

Since 2001 I have completed 43 guitars, 6 basses, 2 acoustics, 2 baritones, 4 grand pianos, 2 baby grands, 1 viola, 1 violin and 1 cello. I decided to manufacture the trem blocks around 2011 realizing that the guitars we're way too expensive to get into the markets and the rock blocks are much more affordable and has Hugh results which is why Floyd Rose offers our products.

 

[uOpt]

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p.s. ; guys who don't like it don't have to buy it,,,,,,why all the whining?

Coming in here and treating us like idiots with the 30% more signal?

 

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Coming in here and treating us like idiots with the 30% more signal?

I can't help that you may feel that way because you "don't get it" yet many do.. and the claim of the 30% again, is the findings and verbiage from floyd rose based on my scientific findings as well as their own. So converse with them about the 30% and let me know what they tell you.

 

[devastone]

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Sounds like an interesting concept, I think some of you guys are being a little hard on him. $120 isn't that much for a product from a small company, booteek pedals anyone? How many people have mail ordered a $200+ overdrive pedal? It makes perfect sense that these would make a difference in tone (subjective) and sustain (objective), plus, there is a money back guarantee, if you try it and don't like it, return it, hard to argue with that, definitely more important than graphs and such to me for something as subjective as tone. If it's not worth $120 to you, that's fine too.

Apparently Titanium blocks are worth $450 to a lot of people - http://www.fu-tone.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=182

There are people that spend more than that on a power cord for their amp and swear it makes a difference - http://www.essentialsound.com/product/MCord_Cord.html

Again, the tone block actually makes sense, the power cord, well, that is a lot more snake oil IMHEO (in my humble engineering opinion).

Anyway, my <$0.02, I don't have a dog in this race or a horse in this fight, it just seemed like it went from "interesting product" to blasting the guy, when in reality, his prices aren't out of line, machine time costs $, assembly costs $, packaging costs $, advertising costs $, eating costs $. You can't just say a block of granite "this" big costs 'X' so each block only costs 'X'/4 to make. I've been doing product development for a long time, it always costs more than people think to make a product, especially when you are small and talking small quantities.

But I do agree that statements like 30% less signal loss sounds like a pretty big number, although I'm not sure how to interpret "less signal loss", does sound kinda like a double negative, but eh, again, the money back guarantee means a lot more to me.

 

[LLL]

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LOL that's right LLL and how did it end? It ended when the forums well known buddy Steve Henning purchased a 32mm rock block for his personal build when everyone was expecting doom n gloom report when infact got the complete opposite.. Trying the block speaks for itself, no hype no snake oil just utilizing a mineral that still retains all the natural integrity in which it was created and is the optimum transducer for any stringed instrument comprised of a bridge system.

I have no dog in this "fight" nor do I care either way, honestly - I haven't used Floyds since the early 90s.

But yes, it ended exactly as you stated.

 

[Securb]

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I am a strong believer in try before you talk. I am going to be popping one of these stone blocks in my B.C. Rich this week. I am optimistic seeing the same results Steve Henning and Jeff Loomis​ got. I don't see Jeff Loomis​ putting something in the bridge of his guitar just for the hell of it. I will let you know what I think in a week or so.

 

[kramersteen]

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I love the power of stoned!

 

[AlexR]

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I am a strong believer in try before you talk. I am going to be popping one of these stone blocks in my B.C. Rich this week. I am optimistic seeing the same results Steve Henning and Jeff Loomis​ got. I don't see Jeff Loomis​ putting something in the bridge of his guitar just for the hell of it. I will let you know what I think in a week or so.

You see, this is what is needed.
Someone trying it out and an unbiased/independent set of ears.

 

[kramersteen]

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Send me one i will try it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!

 

[Masta' C]

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If the OP didn't want a discussion, he should have made his sales pitch in the Trading Post.

Potential buyers are always going to have questions and, typically, sellers do their best to answer them. Instead, the OP forcefully skirts around the talking points and then belittles those who ask him to back up HIS OWN claims, saying things like:

I have ALL the science as I did more than my share of research and have no reason to share any of it

I can't help that you may feel that way because you "don't get it" yet many do.

The science behind how they work gets deep and complex and so it's best to stick to the attributes of the block than the science.

No one is asking for "trade secrets" here!

Again, no doubts that the product has its merits, but the OP could handle potential buyers MUCH better than he has. Most sellers try to build rapport with the community, not resistance

 

[Funkfingers]

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sales pitch

This.