Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
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GilmourD
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
Maybe I'm getting stuck because most neck pickups are underwound versions of the bridge pickups, so I'm looking at this as simply matching a '59 neck coil with an equally underwound Custom coil in the same configuration as far as screws, slugs, and magnets. The missing part is the neck Custom coil (possibly).
Slugs sound different than screws. Since the bridge '59/C has slugs and filisters, wouldn't it make sense that the neck pickup would have the same, just from a tonal matching standpoint?
Maybe I'm getting stuck because most neck pickups are underwound versions of the bridge pickups, so I'm looking at this as simply matching a '59 neck coil with an equally underwound Custom coil in the same configuration as far as screws, slugs, and magnets. The missing part is the neck Custom coil (possibly).
Edgecrusher
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
If form follows function it would be that it should be slug screw as the function is to be a matching 59/C neck.
Even then it is foolish to think that looks dont matter. There are people who will pass it over cause it doesnt look the same.
If form follows function it would be that it should be slug screw as the function is to be a matching 59/C neck.
Even then it is foolish to think that looks dont matter. There are people who will pass it over cause it doesnt look the same.
LtKojak
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
HTH,
That's a little too simplistic way to look at it. The physics involved in the neck p'up, as the way the strings behave, the positioning of the harmonic nodes the poles read are never static, so IME, the set of variables are a lot more in number and in complexity, so you have to see'em as separate entities, then tweak both p'ups until they find a "common tone-footprint", so they work well individually, in sequence and together.
HTH,
Masta' C
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
Personally, I really don't care where it ends up. Like I said, if it's cool and I see a use for it, I'll buy it. If not, I won't.
However, if you want to sell the most pickups to existing forum members and you're labeling the design as a neck companion to the 59/Custom hybrid, then it sure as heck better look like a companion to the 59/Custom or you're going to alienate the majority of your potential buyers.
I'm all for the spirit of adventure, but no one wants another Fuglybucker. Again, if you really want something "crazy", the Custom Shop can make anything to your personal specs...
Personally, I really don't care where it ends up. Like I said, if it's cool and I see a use for it, I'll buy it. If not, I won't.
However, if you want to sell the most pickups to existing forum members and you're labeling the design as a neck companion to the 59/Custom hybrid, then it sure as heck better look like a companion to the 59/Custom or you're going to alienate the majority of your potential buyers.
I'm all for the spirit of adventure, but no one wants another Fuglybucker. Again, if you really want something "crazy", the Custom Shop can make anything to your personal specs...
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
My thoughts on it, though, are that, as said above, the filister screws take the edge off the top of the attack and make things a bit more mellow sounding versus having slugs in there. That's basically the opposite of what I'd want. I want that brighter edge, and I probably want it moreso in the neck position.
I have a '59/C in the bridge of my orange Strat and I like that brighter edge with the nice warm midrange that it has, so I would want a neck humbucker that has that same brighter edge. I'd keep the A5 magnet the same.
I mean, this is my opinion, but I know what I'm hoping for from the pickup and what I think is its perfect match.
I'm not bothered by the look so much. After all, I've been known to play metal on a sonic blue Tele with an ashtray bridge and a Van Zandt Vintage Plus in the bridge position.
My thoughts on it, though, are that, as said above, the filister screws take the edge off the top of the attack and make things a bit more mellow sounding versus having slugs in there. That's basically the opposite of what I'd want. I want that brighter edge, and I probably want it moreso in the neck position.
I have a '59/C in the bridge of my orange Strat and I like that brighter edge with the nice warm midrange that it has, so I would want a neck humbucker that has that same brighter edge. I'd keep the A5 magnet the same.
I mean, this is my opinion, but I know what I'm hoping for from the pickup and what I think is its perfect match.
DreX
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
Neither the '59 nor the Custom have hex screws, or otherwise deviate from the fillister/slug arrangement, so this shouldn't even be on the table. This is an enormous derailment.
That's a pretty lofty term for a hybrid.
Neither the '59 nor the Custom have hex screws, or otherwise deviate from the fillister/slug arrangement, so this shouldn't even be on the table. This is an enormous derailment.
That's a pretty lofty term for a hybrid.
DreX
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
Looks matter to such an extent that it's the primary reason the fillister/slug arrangement is as common as it is. According to lore, Seth Lover planned to have slugs all the way around with a solid nicker cover over the whole thing, but the management at Gibson wanted it to have some resemblance to the P-90 and sell it's adjustability, so the decision had little or nothing to do with tonal benefits to begin with. It was a looks thing then and it's a looks thing now. Sure one sounds different than the other, but it's subtle to the extent that only we cork sniffers care. For probably 95% of the market, it's about looks.
Looks matter to such an extent that it's the primary reason the fillister/slug arrangement is as common as it is. According to lore, Seth Lover planned to have slugs all the way around with a solid nicker cover over the whole thing, but the management at Gibson wanted it to have some resemblance to the P-90 and sell it's adjustability, so the decision had little or nothing to do with tonal benefits to begin with. It was a looks thing then and it's a looks thing now. Sure one sounds different than the other, but it's subtle to the extent that only we cork sniffers care. For probably 95% of the market, it's about looks.
LtKojak
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
I was looking for cohesion as a starting point, but by the looks of it, maybe it was a mistake? :dunno:
What do you think?
Well, depending on the Form factor outcome, a "Hy-Bro" set with identical look would be put on the plate, of course.
I was looking for cohesion as a starting point, but by the looks of it, maybe it was a mistake? :dunno:
What do you think?
Ascension
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
Will chime in here on the both look and tone neck match for the 59/Cu concept.
This could be REALLY killer in a H/H guitar with a 5 way or a H/S/H. On the H/H you could set up pos 2 and 4 for taps on the different wound coils of both pickups while running the other 3 as a standard full bucker set up. Unlike the normal set up this would give a really noticeable tonal variation in the 2 tapped position as you could tap the different wound coils.
If done right it would make for an amazingly versatile tonal configuration while still retaining a traditional look. For some one like me who has to cover a lot of different styles on the fly on stage it would work well. It also would be quite marketable ( something other forum designs other that the Brobucker have NOT been!!) for Duncan.
Build this I will buy it and put my $ where my mouth is!!
Will chime in here on the both look and tone neck match for the 59/Cu concept.
This could be REALLY killer in a H/H guitar with a 5 way or a H/S/H. On the H/H you could set up pos 2 and 4 for taps on the different wound coils of both pickups while running the other 3 as a standard full bucker set up. Unlike the normal set up this would give a really noticeable tonal variation in the 2 tapped position as you could tap the different wound coils.
If done right it would make for an amazingly versatile tonal configuration while still retaining a traditional look. For some one like me who has to cover a lot of different styles on the fly on stage it would work well. It also would be quite marketable ( something other forum designs other that the Brobucker have NOT been!!) for Duncan.
Build this I will buy it and put my $ where my mouth is!!
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Ascension
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
It would be a huge mistake IMO to start over and move forward with anything but nailing finial details on this concept at this point man.
Let's get this one done and then start looking for the next round with a new design.
We have been chasing our tails for a while on this particular forum pickup concept but seemed to finally come to a consensus on the the neck match for the 59/Cu hybrid.
It would be a huge mistake IMO to start over and move forward with anything but nailing finial details on this concept at this point man.
Let's get this one done and then start looking for the next round with a new design.
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Fusion1
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
While I agree with the double screw arrangement of the pickup for personal reasons, I do agree the concept should have come first. What I am surprised by is who determined Lt Kojak the go to guy to get this done? I haven't seen any updates from him in days now. This could all be sorted out in a day or less. If I was in charge of this I'd be updating every hour on the hour until it is done.
While I agree with the double screw arrangement of the pickup for personal reasons, I do agree the concept should have come first. What I am surprised by is who determined Lt Kojak the go to guy to get this done? I haven't seen any updates from him in days now. This could all be sorted out in a day or less. If I was in charge of this I'd be updating every hour on the hour until it is done.
LtKojak
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
I guess we'll never know.
I've been appointed by Scott Olson.
Bold statement!
I guess we'll never know.
Fusion1
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
I'm still waiting for a new poll. What's the hold up? Should take all of about 5 minutes. Let's fast track this thing already. Seems this has been kicked around for months and I just within the last week or so found out about it and even after a week I am getting impatient.
I'm still waiting for a new poll. What's the hold up? Should take all of about 5 minutes. Let's fast track this thing already. Seems this has been kicked around for months and I just within the last week or so found out about it and even after a week I am getting impatient.
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
Updating every hour on the hour might require that you quit your job and ignore your wife and kids, Pepe. LOL
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
Pepe, please link the new poll at the bottom of this thread and let me know so I can close this one up.
Fusion1
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Re: Forum p'up v. 2.0: aka "Hy-Bro" 2015
It was a little exaggeration, but seriously we can nail this down within the next 24-48 hours if we wanted to.
It was a little exaggeration, but seriously we can nail this down within the next 24-48 hours if we wanted to.
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