Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

[Sirion]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

It would be awesome to be able to get amazing Kramer shredsticks again.

They proved that they were capable of this in 2005, when they launched the reissue of the Sambora model. That model – retitled Jersey Star – was on par with the golden age products. Too bad what has come since has basically been crap!

 

[BloodRose]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

I was looking at the Blueberryburst Traditional a few months back. I was seeing them for about 2K; now they seem to have crept up 300-500 dollars. The used market is also moving on the rumors. It must be the Bitcoin folks moving into a new commodities/currency market.

I really really want a blueberry burst one!!! Gorgeous!!!

I wasnt even aware they had gotten into electronics... ??

I find it interesting that they bought harmony central. Havent been over to that site in years.....

Ive no doubt that they will restructure or sell and stay afloat. I just hope they dont shut down Kramer in the process.

 

[ICTGoober]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

Henry needs to STHU. He's talking himself right out of a job.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/gib...ut-we-have-to-have-something-new-and-exciting

 

[Thundermtn]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

Henry needs to STHU. He's talking himself right out of a job.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/gib...ut-we-have-to-have-something-new-and-exciting

This guy is a buffoon. All his futuristic d0-hicky b.s. does is make the guitars cost more. They don't improve quality or make them easier to play. More cost is the last thing you want when trying to win young players. Those folks are buying Epi's anyway b/c they are great guitars for the money, and not loaded up with gadgets that perform poorly at the intended task.

Gibson is a supposedly premium brand. So unless he can remove himself from never-never land and design and build proper sell-able guitars that are great instruments for reasonable money he needs to go. Purists like them for what they are. You don't paint a Stradivarius orange and give it auto tune,and raise prices 150%.

If he wants to be truly innovative give people something they've never had before, something we would all want. Don't try to re-invent the wheel on the classics though. That's the bread and butter. Use the classics to fund development and see what sticks on new stuff. Don't get beans counters and some schmuck from England to tell you what they think we need. Go straight to the players.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

I’m sick of people trying to shame the market by saying we hate innovation. We like tradition, and we like innovation when it doesn’t suck a whole suckload of suck. Walk around a guitar store and count how many products couldn’t have happened before 1960.

 

[Sirion]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

I can think of two innovations I would have appreciated from Gibson:

1) Fix the broken fret scale
2) Fix the headstock-breaking angle on the necks

I guess that those two things would be more important for 99% of players than robo-tuners.

 

[ICTGoober]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

1) Fix the broken fret scale

WTH are you talking about?

2) Fix the headstock-breaking angle on the necks

I've been a guitar repairman for 40 years. I've seen a LOT more Gibson's with unbroken pegheads than broken. I say your argument is without merit.

Finally - I'll bet 10 dollars you're a Fender fanboy.

 

[dystrust]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

I can think of two innovations I would have appreciated from Gibson:

1) Fix the broken fret scale
2) Fix the headstock-breaking angle on the necks

I guess that those two things would be more important for 99% of players than robo-tuners.

If #1 is referring to scale length, I prefer 24.75, so they should leave it alone IMO. Regarding #2, if they could do separate scarf-jointed headstocks without affecting the sound and feel of the guitars, I'm all for it.

I've been a guitar repairman for 40 years. I've seen a LOT more Gibson's with unbroken pegheads than broken. I say your argument is without merit.

While that's true, I'd wager you've seen more broken Gibson headstocks than Fenders.

 

[Ben1962]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

Bull, read reviews from people that bought them, not just the losers on youtube thinkin they're cool joining the hate club on Gibson. So is Gibson making junk guitars? I hear that all the time, or is it mismanagement? I got one coming in 2 days, I took the plunge finally . Slash Anaconda, I guess I aint cool tho . I bet everybody cant wait to hear me say its junk, right?

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

WTH are you talking about?



I've been a guitar repairman for 40 years. I've seen a LOT more Gibson's with unbroken pegheads than broken. I say your argument is without merit.

Finally - I'll bet 10 dollars you're a Fender fanboy.

If #1 is referring to scale length, I prefer 24.75, so they should leave it alone IMO. Regarding #2, if they could do separate scarf-jointed headstocks without affecting the sound and feel of the guitars, I'm all for it.



While that's true, I'd wager you've seen more broken Gibson headstocks than Fenders.

I too prefer the Gibson scale. I don’t see it as broken at all.

 

[Gtrjunior]

Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

Bull, read reviews from people that bought them, not just the losers on youtube thinkin they're cool joining the hate club on Gibson. So is Gibson making junk guitars? I hear that all the time, or is it mismanagement? I got one coming in 2 days, I took the plunge finally . Slash Anaconda, I guess I aint cool tho . I bet everybody cant wait to hear me say its junk, right?

I think that there has been some QC issues here and there but more than likely that has been blown out of proportion. By no means is Gibson putting junk out there. I own 3 Gibsons and they all are great guitars.
I think Henry is completely out of the loop as far as what the average consumer wants. He is leaning on the Gibson name and as such is putting more stock in it’s historical value rather than the value of the instrument he sells. For the price Gibson charges, the hardware, electronics etc should be the best money can buy...but often that’s not the way it is.
I often wondered Fender can put out a top of the line Strat for $1500-$2000 while Gibson is charging double that. It makes no sense.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

I don't even hve a problem with robo-tuners...but I have a problem with the way they are implemented. It wouldn't be an issue if it was on a more modern, headless instrument, where you had some mechanism that tuned strings for you...but not on a traditional Gibson, and not with something that looks like a normal set of tuners. I think you either have to go way modern or not. I could see them working on something like a Steinberger's bridge.

 

[Ben1962]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

I am not knocking strats, but I gotta think the finish on a Gibson and the set neck may have something to do with that. Look what PRS charges and they always seem to get a pass. American made ESP cost more than a Standard and same with some Schecters as well. I dont want to see those people lose their jobs. When I read all Les Pauls made after 2005 are junk, its BS pure and simple. Then I read about a piece of fly feces in the finish. 10 tops are $4500? Talk about stickin people, oh and the Artist, how much for them? Over 5 grand? Mines on the way, thats all I know and I cant wait!!

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

Henry needs to STHU. He's talking himself right out of a job.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/gib...ut-we-have-to-have-something-new-and-exciting

Told ya!

If that interview does not convince you that HJ is clueless, nothing will.

I think the comment about the scale is in reference to Gibson not having a true 24.75". Gibson has moved the ball so to speak over the years.

 

[FuseG4]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

I hope some dedicated group of wealthy Gibson employees does what FMIC did to CBS

 

[Sirion]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

If #1 is referring to scale length, I prefer 24.75, so they should leave it alone IMO.

I am not talking about the scale length, but the fact that the frets are consistently placed incorrectly, so that the guitar will not intonate properly across the fretboard. The whole thing is explained in great detail in this interview:

http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/node/640

They got this wrong somehow, and have never fixed it. I have no idea why.

Finally - I'll bet 10 dollars you're a Fender fanboy.

I have never owned a Fender in my life. Send me a PM, and I'll give you my PayPal.

 

[Darg1911]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

I am not talking about the scale length, but the fact that the frets are consistently placed incorrectly, so that the guitar will not intonate properly across the fretboard. The whole thing is explained in great detail in this interview:

http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/node/640

They got this wrong somehow, and have never fixed it. I have no idea why.

My understanding is that Gibson uses the "rule of 18" for determining fret spacing/placement. It's not "wrong" it just isn't perfect. Is any large guitar maker using Stanleys math for fret spacing? I'm lousy at math but Stanleys theory seems to go well beyond the "rule of 18" or the 17.6?? or 17.8?? division that some guitar manufacturers use.

 

[Thundermtn]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

It's getting worse! They just layed off the leadership in the Custom shop.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/gibson-lays-off-staff-at-nashville-custom-shop

Edit: This is the second round of layoffs in the CS in a years time, there's a very real possibility that most of their skilled and knowledgeable people have been shown the door. Makes me wonder what will happen to CS quality.

 

[Darg1911]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

Probably would have saved a lot more money and made a lot more sense to just get rid of the "genius" that is Henry rather than the experienced men/women who actually build the product ...

 

[Jacew]

Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.

My understanding is that Gibson uses the "rule of 18" for determining fret spacing/placement. It's not "wrong" it just isn't perfect. Is any large guitar maker using Stanleys math for fret spacing? I'm lousy at math but Stanleys theory seems to go well beyond the "rule of 18" or the 17.6?? or 17.8?? division that some guitar manufacturers use.

He says that Japanese Squiers in 70's we're "spot on" by his math, which made Fender to "fix" theirs as well. But he also says it's been less consistent in recent years.