Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.
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Nostalgic Distortion
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Agreed... I love my Gibson’s but I’ve had to do a lot of “guitar filtering” to get them. Considering their price tags that’s a little ridiculous & I think new management could be a great thing...
Not to beat a dead horse but anyone who thought the robot tuners were going to revolutionize the industry & make them the greatest company ever has absolutely no business running such a iconic guitar company! I mean anyone who actually played a little guitar or the common sense to listen without bias to those who did would have scraped that idea long before it was ever executed onto the market..
New design ideas are great if they are well thought out (Ideally by guitar players) but for the most part I think they just need to focus on putting more quality into what they’ve already got & stop trying to give people things they don’t want! If I wanted a guitar that had a bloody computer in it then I sure as s*** wouldn’t be buying a Gibson! Lol, it would probably be Japanese model & workmanship wouldn’t be a issue....
Agreed... I love my Gibson’s but I’ve had to do a lot of “guitar filtering” to get them. Considering their price tags that’s a little ridiculous & I think new management could be a great thing...
Not to beat a dead horse but anyone who thought the robot tuners were going to revolutionize the industry & make them the greatest company ever has absolutely no business running such a iconic guitar company! I mean anyone who actually played a little guitar or the common sense to listen without bias to those who did would have scraped that idea long before it was ever executed onto the market..
New design ideas are great if they are well thought out (Ideally by guitar players) but for the most part I think they just need to focus on putting more quality into what they’ve already got & stop trying to give people things they don’t want! If I wanted a guitar that had a bloody computer in it then I sure as s*** wouldn’t be buying a Gibson! Lol, it would probably be Japanese model & workmanship wouldn’t be a issue....
Thundermtn
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Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.
It would be awesome to be able to get amazing Kramer shredsticks again.
It would be awesome to be able to get amazing Kramer shredsticks again.
Aceman
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Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.
This is because rock'n'roll is dead. My teen daughter doesn't want anything about rock neither do her classmates. This is the cause that Gibson is facing problems, despite the huge hype in favor of them as being *the* premium maker.
This is because rock'n'roll is dead. My teen daughter doesn't want anything about rock neither do her classmates. This is the cause that Gibson is facing problems, despite the huge hype in favor of them as being *the* premium maker.
Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.
I have been playing since 1983 and owned over 30 guitars including 5 gibsons.
In the earlier days few other manufacturers could match them, but, as things have moved on considerably especially in the last 10 years gibson no longer stand out as special any more.
Too many different variations on the same theme, too many supposed innovations like robo-tuners and compound necks.
Questionable quality control and high pricing make me think twice before considering another.
If they rationalised things to a smaller number of core models with a keener emphasis on QC then maybe things will change, until then they may continue on the slippery slope to mediocrity.
I have been playing since 1983 and owned over 30 guitars including 5 gibsons.
In the earlier days few other manufacturers could match them, but, as things have moved on considerably especially in the last 10 years gibson no longer stand out as special any more.
Too many different variations on the same theme, too many supposed innovations like robo-tuners and compound necks.
Questionable quality control and high pricing make me think twice before considering another.
If they rationalised things to a smaller number of core models with a keener emphasis on QC then maybe things will change, until then they may continue on the slippery slope to mediocrity.
Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.
Do you have any graphs on the total sales of electric guitars for the last years?
https://qz.com/1013293/rock-and-roll-is-dead-sales-of-fender-and-gibson-electric-guitars-prove-it/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/lifestyle/the-slow-secret-death-of-the-electric-guitar/
Do you have any graphs on the total sales of electric guitars for the last years?
https://qz.com/1013293/rock-and-roll-is-dead-sales-of-fender-and-gibson-electric-guitars-prove-it/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/lifestyle/the-slow-secret-death-of-the-electric-guitar/
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ICTGoober
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Nice try at changing the subject. What you did was prove my point - you HAVE NOT read the links or the posts here. Gibson Guitars is not in financial trouble. Gibson Brands is in trouble. NOW - go back and read everything in this thread before you post again, so you'll actually be able to contribute to the conversation intelligently.
Nice try at changing the subject. What you did was prove my point - you HAVE NOT read the links or the posts here. Gibson Guitars is not in financial trouble. Gibson Brands is in trouble. NOW - go back and read everything in this thread before you post again, so you'll actually be able to contribute to the conversation intelligently.
beaubrummels
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Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.
I think it's erroneous to look at one measure, guitar sales of only two companies, to conclude the health of an entire music industry or genre. Really we'd have to look at all sales and all activities - streaming, vinyl, internet, television views, commercial usage, used/secondary markets, schools, lessons, including online self-study, as well as factor all existing guitar makers' sales together. While Gibson and Fender may be down, with all the other makers and used markets, the actual number of players and interest may be little changed - Reverb and eBay are as bustling as ever, it's just new manufacture and pricing of two companies outpaced the existing population and normal growth rate, and some products made weren't well researched and didn't solve problems players had, which is not indicative of the end of interest in a genre but of poor product development practices by two companies IMHO.
I think it's erroneous to look at one measure, guitar sales of only two companies, to conclude the health of an entire music industry or genre. Really we'd have to look at all sales and all activities - streaming, vinyl, internet, television views, commercial usage, used/secondary markets, schools, lessons, including online self-study, as well as factor all existing guitar makers' sales together. While Gibson and Fender may be down, with all the other makers and used markets, the actual number of players and interest may be little changed - Reverb and eBay are as bustling as ever, it's just new manufacture and pricing of two companies outpaced the existing population and normal growth rate, and some products made weren't well researched and didn't solve problems players had, which is not indicative of the end of interest in a genre but of poor product development practices by two companies IMHO.
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Little Pigbacon
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Well said. The new Roadhouse Strat is bunk!
Well said. The new Roadhouse Strat is bunk!
Re: Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.
I am not here for scientific or "intelligent" convo. Guitar places are not exactly nuclear labs as far as "intelligence" is concerned. All I said is what I see and what is backed by numbers. Rock market shrinks, demand decreases, supply is increased. Look at the rock albums of 1980, 1990, 2000, even 2010 and compare them to now. The whole guitar concept is tightly coupled with names, players, idols. Today this does not exist. Young people dont care for guitars. Don't blame the others if your specific "reality" is different than the ... real one.
I am not here for scientific or "intelligent" convo. Guitar places are not exactly nuclear labs as far as "intelligence" is concerned. All I said is what I see and what is backed by numbers. Rock market shrinks, demand decreases, supply is increased. Look at the rock albums of 1980, 1990, 2000, even 2010 and compare them to now. The whole guitar concept is tightly coupled with names, players, idols. Today this does not exist. Young people dont care for guitars. Don't blame the others if your specific "reality" is different than the ... real one.
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YeRedHouseOverYonder
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Would be nice to see some new revamped Kramer guitars. I had a Kramer Assault with a gotoh FR. Fun guitar to play.
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Would be nice to see some new revamped Kramer guitars. I had a Kramer Assault with a gotoh FR. Fun guitar to play.
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I think we will see brands sold off, and ownership remain in the US. MI companies change hands all the time ( remember CBS, Norlin), and I don't think it reflects overall trends in the industry. I think it reflects the fact that Gibson is (finally?) starting to lose faith in its leader.
I think we will see brands sold off, and ownership remain in the US. MI companies change hands all the time ( remember CBS, Norlin), and I don't think it reflects overall trends in the industry. I think it reflects the fact that Gibson is (finally?) starting to lose faith in its leader.
Thundermtn
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As well as nearly everyone in the finance world, his multiple guitar flops since '15 have really damaged him. He can't even stay on top of his guitars and the handling of his electronics divisions has been much worse.
As well as nearly everyone in the finance world, his multiple guitar flops since '15 have really damaged him. He can't even stay on top of his guitars and the handling of his electronics divisions has been much worse.
Gtrjunior
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Gibson guitar headed for possible bankruptcy.
Exactly.
I’ll add to that...whoever does step in would be wise to take the time to listen to the ideas that the employees have. They do the job everyday and typically are much more in tune with the various needs of the systems in place. Many, many of them are players as well and as such, have a deeper insight into those needs as well.
Exactly.
I’ll add to that...whoever does step in would be wise to take the time to listen to the ideas that the employees have. They do the job everyday and typically are much more in tune with the various needs of the systems in place. Many, many of them are players as well and as such, have a deeper insight into those needs as well.