Gibson "Quality"
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Re: Gibson "Quality"
I didnt say fender had quality issues, my point was that almost any famous guitar brand asks way more than the guitar is actually worth, because as long as theres rich people, and kids willing to spend their college savings on 1 guitar, they will keep robing people
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I didnt say fender had quality issues, my point was that almost any famous guitar brand asks way more than the guitar is actually worth, because as long as theres rich people, and kids willing to spend their college savings on 1 guitar, they will keep robing people
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flank
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used fenders bro.....thats the way to go, great deals out there if you look around
Mephis said:I didnt say fender had quality issues, my point was that almost any famous guitar brand asks way more than the guitar is actually worth, because as long as theres rich people, and kids willing to spend their college savings on 1 guitar, they will keep robing people
used fenders bro.....thats the way to go, great deals out there if you look around
benjaturner
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I think that's a little harsh about Fender. Sure, Gibson are basically saying to their target audience,
'Look, we know you're both very stupid and very rich. But we'd like to to prove it to us now beyond all reasonable doubt!'
But I don't think the same is true of Fender. Some of that 'Relic' rubbish goes for silly prices, but generally I think Fender supply good quality guitars at reasonable prices. I certainly wouldn't be-grudge paying £350 for a Mexican Tele or Strat.
I think that's a little harsh about Fender. Sure, Gibson are basically saying to their target audience,
'Look, we know you're both very stupid and very rich. But we'd like to to prove it to us now beyond all reasonable doubt!'
But I don't think the same is true of Fender. Some of that 'Relic' rubbish goes for silly prices, but generally I think Fender supply good quality guitars at reasonable prices. I certainly wouldn't be-grudge paying £350 for a Mexican Tele or Strat.
Re: Gibson "Quality"
i think the thing thats FN :bsflag: is that gibson is lifetime warrantied exept for the neck interesting since most problems i hear are of the necks. my freind who had the neck slip out of the neck joint which is pretty clear that it wasnt through mishandling wasnt allowed another in exchange by sam ash he was lucky enough to have gc honor the sam ash purchase just because they have so many problems with them
i think the thing thats FN :bsflag: is that gibson is lifetime warrantied exept for the neck interesting since most problems i hear are of the necks. my freind who had the neck slip out of the neck joint which is pretty clear that it wasnt through mishandling wasnt allowed another in exchange by sam ash he was lucky enough to have gc honor the sam ash purchase just because they have so many problems with them
krankguitarist
Krankitupologist
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True or not, my own personal experiences with my gibsons have led me to vow never to buy another gibson ever again. The QC is just inexcuseable.
True or not, my own personal experiences with my gibsons have led me to vow never to buy another gibson ever again. The QC is just inexcuseable.
FretFire
SingedFingerologist
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That's exactly my point. The name is obviously "worth it" to the people that continue to go out and pay the premium prices. Face it, we are not your average consumer when it comes to guitars, we are better informed and more aware than 90% of the people out there, because we talk to one another. If you really want to change what's going on, don't just gripe about it to yourself, but instead try to make more and more people aware of what they're feeding into.
Luckily, it's pretty safe to say that a lot of people here are the ones their friends go to with questions about guitars, so we can lead them in the "better" directions.
Mephis said:
That's exactly my point. The name is obviously "worth it" to the people that continue to go out and pay the premium prices. Face it, we are not your average consumer when it comes to guitars, we are better informed and more aware than 90% of the people out there, because we talk to one another. If you really want to change what's going on, don't just gripe about it to yourself, but instead try to make more and more people aware of what they're feeding into.
Luckily, it's pretty safe to say that a lot of people here are the ones their friends go to with questions about guitars, so we can lead them in the "better" directions.
Stringmachine
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That neck looks like it has been broken! I dont believe it came like that from the factory. Not even Gibson would let that one through.
That neck looks like it has been broken! I dont believe it came like that from the factory. Not even Gibson would let that one through.
MDS
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I've always been bothered by the price of Gibsons. Is a Les Paul THAT much harder to make than a Strat? My USA strat was like $650 or maybe $700 new and it is your basic run of the mill Standard. A Standard les paul is almost 3 times the Strat. Weird.
I want one anyways...
I've always been bothered by the price of Gibsons. Is a Les Paul THAT much harder to make than a Strat? My USA strat was like $650 or maybe $700 new and it is your basic run of the mill Standard. A Standard les paul is almost 3 times the Strat. Weird.
I want one anyways...
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
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We´re not saying the luthier sucks...were asking if he bought the guiotar BRAND New, from a licensed Gibson dealer....
Because if he didn´t, especially if it was used, it´s very possible the guitar had a previous repair due to negligence on the original owner´s part
Seeing as he bought it Used, and Gibsons finishes are usually VERY thin (not very thick as the luthier noted) something is amiss....
And as far as what guitars should cost: We´re still talking about a USA made guitar here, where real luthiers spend real time building them.... DO you guys really think People with my kind of knowledge and skill are worth ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? Because that´s what you´re doing, you´re taking wood and hardware costs, completely disregarding assembly, sanding , finishing and such (because, as was stated in another thread, "we can do all of that ourselves").... this mindset is part of the main reason that USA made guitars are declining in quality, because 30 years ago people also thought that 15$ an hour was too much for people that starved for 3 years to learn the trade...
In other words: When I´m repairing your guitar I´m allowed to earn money (buit please, under no circumstances enought to pay the rent), and when I´m building one for you I´m supposed to do it for FREE?
And people still wonder why EVERYTHING these days is made outside the US and is Generally Crap?? Because YOU`RE not willing to pay someone 10$ an hour to produce a quality product, even though you as a worker feel that YOU earn 10$ an hour to produce even less of a product??? Why in HELL should a Luthier be forced to build guitars for LESS THAN HIS OWN COST (800$ is a ****ing joke people, period.), essentially paying you so that he can buiild an axe for you, when the douchebag at McBull**** gets minimum wage for spitting on your patty and wiping his ass with the bun? Come back to reality, dudes....
People have been saying this for 30 years, and it´s constantly gotten worse... Now that it´s starting to peak, all the blame goes to the companies...Not the consumer who in his quest for instant, cheap gratification made absolutely no thoughts as to the long term repercussions of his actions, even though he had been warned time and time again.....
MAN, do threads like this piss me off, because they show just how little people actually care about anything but their own well being.....
Seraphial said:
We´re not saying the luthier sucks...were asking if he bought the guiotar BRAND New, from a licensed Gibson dealer....
Because if he didn´t, especially if it was used, it´s very possible the guitar had a previous repair due to negligence on the original owner´s part
Seeing as he bought it Used, and Gibsons finishes are usually VERY thin (not very thick as the luthier noted) something is amiss....
And as far as what guitars should cost: We´re still talking about a USA made guitar here, where real luthiers spend real time building them.... DO you guys really think People with my kind of knowledge and skill are worth ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? Because that´s what you´re doing, you´re taking wood and hardware costs, completely disregarding assembly, sanding , finishing and such (because, as was stated in another thread, "we can do all of that ourselves").... this mindset is part of the main reason that USA made guitars are declining in quality, because 30 years ago people also thought that 15$ an hour was too much for people that starved for 3 years to learn the trade...
In other words: When I´m repairing your guitar I´m allowed to earn money (buit please, under no circumstances enought to pay the rent), and when I´m building one for you I´m supposed to do it for FREE?
And people still wonder why EVERYTHING these days is made outside the US and is Generally Crap?? Because YOU`RE not willing to pay someone 10$ an hour to produce a quality product, even though you as a worker feel that YOU earn 10$ an hour to produce even less of a product??? Why in HELL should a Luthier be forced to build guitars for LESS THAN HIS OWN COST (800$ is a ****ing joke people, period.), essentially paying you so that he can buiild an axe for you, when the douchebag at McBull**** gets minimum wage for spitting on your patty and wiping his ass with the bun? Come back to reality, dudes....
People have been saying this for 30 years, and it´s constantly gotten worse... Now that it´s starting to peak, all the blame goes to the companies...Not the consumer who in his quest for instant, cheap gratification made absolutely no thoughts as to the long term repercussions of his actions, even though he had been warned time and time again.....
MAN, do threads like this piss me off, because they show just how little people actually care about anything but their own well being.....
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MikeS
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+1. That guitar has been damaged and repaired. Doesn't matter by who, but come on, there is absolutly no way that Gibson would allow that, let alone on a Custom.
The luthier also made a claim about a super thick finish on the neck. I've got a tiny chip in the neck of my Studio, and the finish is not overly thick. I can't imagine that the finish on a custom is any thicker. My opinion? Someone damaged the neck, maybe not to the point of breaking, but took a chunk of wood out. They then spot sanded the area down, went wild with filler, then shot the entire neck to cover it up, which would lead to a very thick finish.
You say you know the previous owner? My guess it either he bought it used, or he's not fessing up to something.
Wattage said:
+1. That guitar has been damaged and repaired. Doesn't matter by who, but come on, there is absolutly no way that Gibson would allow that, let alone on a Custom.
The luthier also made a claim about a super thick finish on the neck. I've got a tiny chip in the neck of my Studio, and the finish is not overly thick. I can't imagine that the finish on a custom is any thicker. My opinion? Someone damaged the neck, maybe not to the point of breaking, but took a chunk of wood out. They then spot sanded the area down, went wild with filler, then shot the entire neck to cover it up, which would lead to a very thick finish.
You say you know the previous owner? My guess it either he bought it used, or he's not fessing up to something.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
Unseen
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Agrees alot with Zerb...people are sometimes too cheap!
Agrees alot with Zerb...people are sometimes too cheap!
The New Guy
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+1
Zerberus said:
+1
flank
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i completely understand you here, and mostly agree with you.... but i want to ask you a question (not to prove my point, im honestly curious)... does a Gibson guitar require roughly TWICE the work, and are the materials roughly TWICE the cost of a Fender American Strat?... cause the prices are sometimes 2x that of a fender, and i want to know if that is truly justified?
Zerberus said:
i completely understand you here, and mostly agree with you.... but i want to ask you a question (not to prove my point, im honestly curious)... does a Gibson guitar require roughly TWICE the work, and are the materials roughly TWICE the cost of a Fender American Strat?... cause the prices are sometimes 2x that of a fender, and i want to know if that is truly justified?
FretFire
SingedFingerologist
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I'm going to guess that yes it's a lot more work. Having cobbled a strat together from parts I can tell you that it's a very very simple process. With an LP, things like binding, setting the proper angle for the neck and gluing it in, gluing the top onto the body, etc. are definitely things that take more time than anything you do on a strat. The binding for one is a pretty labor intensive process.
flank said:
I'm going to guess that yes it's a lot more work. Having cobbled a strat together from parts I can tell you that it's a very very simple process. With an LP, things like binding, setting the proper angle for the neck and gluing it in, gluing the top onto the body, etc. are definitely things that take more time than anything you do on a strat. The binding for one is a pretty labor intensive process.
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H8Red442
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Thats a load of crap too. Yes I think the materials that Fender builds with are less expensive. Have Fender build you a Mahogany body with carved maple top, set neck, ebony fretboard and giant block MOP inlays and all the binding there is on a custom and tell me how much it costs. Maybe it will cost a little less. But when you talk about strats are they not Maple or Alder bodies? bolt-ons? Carved maple tops? Mahogany anywhere? I know Jackon guitars come in line with a lot of Gibson type guitars and aside from the neck thru construction i think Jacksons are below Gibson in quality. Don't get me wrong Jackson builds great guitars, I've owned a few. But when they build them out of mahogany and go to town on them like Gibson does a custom their price is through the roof as well. Cheaper woods can make all the difference in the world. A freakin' '56 Strat Relic retails for $2500 the same price as a new LP Custom. It is all in the craftsmanship and materials. You compare a lame-o American Strat Standard to a LP Custom is like comparing a Grand Prix to a Coupe DeVille.
Quality luthiers deserve fair market value like anyone else. Quality building materials also cost and theres no reason anyone should have to build or sell without money for their time and effort.
If you don't like it stick with your Jap Ibanez and Jacksons and crappy Schecters. Buy a strat they're ugly as sin, have nickle and dime store parts on them but theyre cheap...
flank said:
Thats a load of crap too. Yes I think the materials that Fender builds with are less expensive. Have Fender build you a Mahogany body with carved maple top, set neck, ebony fretboard and giant block MOP inlays and all the binding there is on a custom and tell me how much it costs. Maybe it will cost a little less. But when you talk about strats are they not Maple or Alder bodies? bolt-ons? Carved maple tops? Mahogany anywhere? I know Jackon guitars come in line with a lot of Gibson type guitars and aside from the neck thru construction i think Jacksons are below Gibson in quality. Don't get me wrong Jackson builds great guitars, I've owned a few. But when they build them out of mahogany and go to town on them like Gibson does a custom their price is through the roof as well. Cheaper woods can make all the difference in the world. A freakin' '56 Strat Relic retails for $2500 the same price as a new LP Custom. It is all in the craftsmanship and materials. You compare a lame-o American Strat Standard to a LP Custom is like comparing a Grand Prix to a Coupe DeVille.
Quality luthiers deserve fair market value like anyone else. Quality building materials also cost and theres no reason anyone should have to build or sell without money for their time and effort.
If you don't like it stick with your Jap Ibanez and Jacksons and crappy Schecters. Buy a strat they're ugly as sin, have nickle and dime store parts on them but theyre cheap...
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