good half stack for under $700

a7x_rox_12

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hello all,

since ive started a band, i need a louder amp
i am low on cash,
but i am convinced i can get a good tone for that little if i do my research before i buy something

i own a crate v1512, and i love it. would the v30 head be loud enough?
if not,
what other suggestions would yall have?

carvin mts seems intriguing
crate blue voodoo
peavey valveking
laney aor
or a really good pedal through any of these amp's clean channel?

im really open minded
:scratchch


oh yeah,
and i would be playing mainly metal
(children of bodom, black label society, avenged sevenfold)
but we also like the glam stuff too
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

Good luck. You can find them for under $700 but, they usually are not any good.

Seriously, why do you need so much volume? You playing stadiums or something?
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

I don't believe a half stack is necessary... If your just practicing with a band or playing a small show you will only need a 2x12. I have a 120 watt solid state 2x12 and it can do the job just fine. And if you do end up playing at some stadium i'm sure you can mic the thing.
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

That V1512 is an awesome amp, try using a mic for a while and upping the power tubes rating. Half stacks are so expensive, make sure the band is going to stay together first.
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

Unless you playing decent sized clubs you really don't need a half stack, a 30 watt combo will work fine for most sized gigs and even then the soundman may tell you to turn it down. I'm saying this assuming that since you just started a band your probably going to be playing some dives til you get the name out there and build a fan base

Also I don't know if youv'e got any experience with a half stack or not, but man, it SUCKS trying to get a 4x12 cab and head into and out of the gigs, find room on stage for it plus drum kit etc.

Sure its no problem with a venue with a nice loading dock and you can just roll the stuff right onto the stage, but thats not exactly a starting band venue.

If its like places I had to play, they would be basement bars, or you'd play upstairs somewhere etc. The joy of joy to try to get a 80lb cab up a switchback staircase that someone just pissed in 5 minutes before, all so you can play for 15 people.

the fun of playing out LOL
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

Good luck. You can find them for under $700 but, they usually are not any good.

Seriously, why do you need so much volume? You playing stadiums or something?
Did you just say that Laney AOR sucks? :saeek:
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

here's my advice

get good with tools, buy 4 of those v30 clones from warehouse speakers i think it's called, and build yourself a 4x12

should leave you about $500 for a head

...yeah, go laney
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

Even a 15 watt amp is fine if its miked (most gigs in pubs at least here are) just make sure you get some guitar in the foldback (unlike I did at a gig today so while FOH I was fine although a little quiet as most sound guys seem to pump up the keyboards and not have the guitars too loud the opposite of what i need for solos! but on stage I couldn't hear what I was playing unless it was a quiet verse or something but that was a sound guy problem). But anything from 15 to 30 watts is fine no matter what because the bigger the gigs the bigger the pa you'll be miked through!
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

Did you just say that Laney AOR sucks? :saeek:

Never played one but, for $700 for a head and a cabinet, something needs to be a very weak link unless, you get a sweatheart deal on a used setup.
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

Alright. I see the wattage police have already made their way here. Let me try and undo the damage. :)

For everyone saying a 15 watt amp is fine if it is mic'ed... did you see who was asking the question, or are you trained to respond that way lol? A7X_Rox is 15, how many "club gigs" or gigs where he'll have a soundman do you think he'll have?


Age doesn't matter. So what if he's only 15. If your just starting gigging and your 30 years old its not like your going to be getting bigger venues. Trust me, I've got plenty of friends who have kids your age that are still playing in little dives to 10 people on a Tuesday night. More power to them because its just about playing for fun though, its not like they are still trying to "make it"

Most bars/clubs that feature live music do have a soundman though. I go to hundreds of shows a year working as a photographer covering the local music scene and I can't think of anywhjere locally that doesn't have a soundman and house PA.

For the sake of argument lets say that its some little dive that doesn't have a soundman or PA. If your playing that small of hole in the wall all you need is a 15 watt combo if that. Your just not going to need anything bigger and the audience isn't going to want be anywhere near a halfstack in a small little dive. Its just too loud.


Also I've got ask, being 15 and guessing your bandmates would be of similar ages, how many of them have half stacks ? Theres no point to having something so powerful if your bandmates are playing combo's. Its not like being able to drown them out will help with the band dynamics.


Best advice is this, get yourself whatever the smallest/lightest/cheapest combo you can that will lets you play whatever sized gigs you have. Put your money into getting the best instrument you can afford.

You'll apprecaite a quality axe 5 or 10 years down the road when whatever amp you've got is long gone.


Trust me, the easier it is to travle with, the more gigs and sessions you'll be willing to play. I had a 1960a cab when I was 17 and it stayed at home 90% of the time because I couldn't get over to friends houses to jam. I didnt have a truck and it wouldnt fit into my honda civic. Its not very rock and roll to have to have your parents drop you off at a house party because you needed the SUV to carry your rig.

You'll just miss out on a lot. Get a great little combo and a good axe and you can go anywhere and play.

When the bigger gigs start coming up, then look into getting some bigger gear if you need it, or seeing if you can mike it.

Hell, I bet in a few years, when you might start getting some bigger gigs if all goes well, they will have pretty amazing DI units. I'm already seeing lots of touring groups using modelers live and it sound spretty good. Give it a few years and I think we'll really have soemthing.
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

i'd argue that a 112 combo will be fine for someone with your needs. IMO any amp could probably work for the metal you want to play. forum bro Mclaughy has a fender bassman RI and runs a line 6 Uber Metal and gets great metal tone. Im sure you could get a traynor 40 watt, ive been eying up those crate v series amps. They make a 30 and a 50 that would be perfect.

most people just don't know how to use a 112 amp. you can't just sit in on the ground, with the one speaker half the sound goes to the floor. Sit it up on a chair or an amp stand and/or angle it up for practice and gigs, thats what i always do. And logically, whatever gig you play that is big enough to need more volume will almost always have a house system to mic the amp, thats been my experience.
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

Even a generic setup like a Hot Rod Deluxe, DS-1, and SD-1 would be so much better than the cheapo "high gain" tube amps out there. A clean amp with a few good pedals is usually a great way to go if you're on a limited budget.
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

yeah, i can sympathize with your need for a half-stack. in the real local, underground punk/metal scenes around here at least, half-stacks and 4x10s or 1x15s on bass are pretty much the standard. if you're not set on having a tube amp, Peavey Transtube heads work pretty well for metal and can be found really cheap used. my first half-stack was a 100W Transtube ($175) and a used Marshall cab ($200). they also do the tube-emulation thing surprisingly well for being about 1/2 the price of a decent used tube amp of that size.
 
Re: good half stack for under $700

I don't believe a half stack is necessary... If your just practicing with a band or playing a small show you will only need a 2x12. I have a 120 watt solid state 2x12 and it can do the job just fine. And if you do end up playing at some stadium i'm sure you can mic the thing.


Now, why in the world would a 50 watt half stack be overkill, and a 120 watt 2x12 be better?
Spreading a little less power to two more speakers makes MUCH more sense to me than running more watts into only 2. I've got a Musicman HD 150 w/4x12 and contrary to belief, it doesn't need to friggin' be on 8 to sound good. I can get thick solo tones and better chime with it than I EVER got with my 15 watt Class A and a microphone...When an amp is cranked all the way or most of the way it compresses and the tone, in some instance suffers...crank a 15 watt, and it doesn't clean up particularly well.
I have twice the volume power of a 15 watt amp in that Musicman, and it is nice to tell the soundguy you don't really needa lot in the monitors...when the guitar is slammed in them, the vocals go to s**t, anyway.
 
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Re: good half stack for under $700

are u 30 watt guys freakin' nuts? 30 tube watts ok, but the old blues farts playing a tele thru a 15watt combo with a 8 or 10 inch speaker along with a drummer going tippity -tap on a snare drum....thats not what this kid wants to be doing!
He said METAL! Metal means 4x12 cabs....and a amp loud enough to drown out that testosterone crazed maniac that"must have double bass drums and every accessory floor tom ,roto tom ,china cymbol and gong" to play drums in a metal band.
Lugging gear does not suck! Gear is badass! The more there is,the more badass it is!
If your too old to get your amp into the gig..go push a pencil!
I swear either half the guys who posted this thread didnt start playing until they were 30,or they are so far gone they dont remember how it was when they were teenagers jamming in a band.Maybe its those guys who were playing def leppord and poison when we were playing matallica and...well...metallica
anyway my suggestion look for some decent used gear,you get alot more bang for your buck...play loud and play proud! And for God's sake dont turn into one of those"30 watt guys"
Peace!
 
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