good old computer recording

DankStar

Her Little Mojo Minion
RANT WARNING -

I finally got my imac in working order with el capitan. I've been messing with the EZD2 demo, and I get to where I'm going to lay down a scratch track, now my interface doesn't have any drivers for the OS. :argh: I hate recording with computers.

As another bonus, logic express didn't get upgraded through the ages with apple's various OSs, so I get this awesome black "blanket" that goes over all the tracks as it's recording or playing back, nearly rendering the whole experience impossible to use now.

I'm not super impressed with EZD2 - for all the features, it's still a PITA to write a tune (with drums that actually follow the riffs). I guess if you just want a bunch of drum loops that just keeps a beat going it's fine. Once you get to wanting cymbal chokes on specific parts and midi editing within the program, forget about it. And you can drag out of the thing but not back into it.

As for its available library, I tapped out a simple rock beat so I could have it search for matches and it listed all this motown stuff that doesn't have a rock feel at all - you can go in an edit (barely) but at that point, I can pound out my own on my midi drums with slate. Their solution would be for me to check their entire line of loops via the online search and then buy whatever add-on packs have the loops I want. That sounds really economical, thanks!

I do like the drum sounds though; not worth $150 just to have it trigger the sounds and not use the rest of it. I could see using it for fills - those are hard to do on a drum pad and have them sound realistic.

I swear I'm going to go back to a drum machine and a 4-track, Jolly style. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
 
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I had an older bfd for a bit, I didn't like it. I'm at the point where it's just easier to pound out beats to a click on a midi controller. Nothing will fit riffs really. I'm sure an ezd metal pack has heavy loops but I don't like loops not hitting accents the other instruments are hitting. To go into loops to edit takes as long as it does to pound out a beat.
 
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BFD 1.5 was an inhumane PITA. BFD2 improved it a great deal. Haven't done much with BFD3 yet but it's more or less just a new dress for BFD2. Where BFD 1.5's groove editor reminded me of those old 90s sequence editors (M-Track and such), BFD2 and 3 look more like a traditional MIDI editor with a grid where you place your hits where you want them, rather than memorizing Note #s and octaves (C3, F#2, etc).

The presets are easily editable as well. Drop a 2nd kick hit on that bog standard 4/4, jazz up the hi-hat, shuffle hits around. Huge kits can be built, too (something like 18 pieces).

Still better than the Alesis SR-16 and its inability to step backwards. There wasn't much to hate about the machine itself, but that was one of the major issues I had with it, along with not being able to assign tempo, kit, or kit piece changes in a Song. Still, I got 2 albums out of it, using 3 kits and maybe 7 of the Preset patterns/fills. Tempo is everything.
 
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I finally got my imac in working order with el capitan. I've been messing with the EZD2 demo, and I get to where I'm going to lay down a scratch track, now my interface doesn't have any drivers for the OS. :argh: I hate recording with computers.

[insert MAC bash here]

I realize this is more of a rant, but let's get some info and help you out:

-What DAW?
-What interface?

Also, sounds to me like many of your frustrations with EZD2 are user based...sorry. As for your editing nightmare, have you ever used Piano Roll View in your DAW? That's what you need to learn, especially as it's the way to work with any drum VST. Insert the basic beat (with the snare placement and HH or Ride you want) then 'draw' in the additional bass drum hits etc. Once you learn how to do things like this your life will become alot easier. You can also get MIDI groove packs and such. But about the only loop I use is from pop/rock and its just the basic 2-4 beat...chose my HH and go from there, add your accents etc.

I realize EZD2 has it's own editing capabilities, and I have only screwed around with it a bit, but I much prefer the piano roll way as it stretches across different VST's etc.
 
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The driver issue is a major reason why I use Linux.

Once you are forced to get hardware that has open source drivers (not binary blob crap by the manufacturers) the drivers cannot be taken away from you.

I have a similar problem with a super professional USB interface that only has 32 bit drivers for windows and mac.
 
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^^ UGH I feel ya. I didn't have a 'super professional' one at the time but I got burned on the 32-bit only once as well.

That is why I will forever be an RME guy...drivers are beyond solid, support is amazing, hardware is incredible, and back to the drivers, they updated them on a discontinued product to be able to work with W10 (and have been super stable).

Sorry, back to OP...
 
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RANT WARNING -

I swear I'm going to go back to a drum machine and a 4-track, Jolly style. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I was finally catching on to EZ1 and lost it in a computer crash. So I bought EZ2 before it was released and I haven't even downloaded it successfully yet.

Yeah, the whole computer recording thing can be frustrating. I had far less to learn in order to make a living doing my job.
 
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I use RME stuff, too, however the drivers are not really totally open source-ish. They are enough for new Linux versions always supporting the cards. However they are not enough to e.g. support FreeBSD. There are numerous complaints in the driver maintainer circle about RME's lack of cooperation.

The best small interface I have is a trashy USB soundcard with working S/PDIF which I then use with a 19" ADAT interface. However, there is no scaling that up since no world clock is supported.
 
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I have a 144 MK II somewhere ... not the 2 x 2.


I stopped using it because the pots got scratchy and I couldn't figure out how to open it up to clean them. Until it crapped out on me I liked it better than the Focusite 2i4 I use now.
 
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If you are going to start using ANY technology to record ... that technology evolves. When you are using MANY technologies to record, such as all the moving parts in a computer and most of them having nothing to do with making music ... if you don't keep your interface, DAW, and plugins up to date -- she won't work. It's as simple as that. It's like having a Linksys access point and ancient network adapter card in your computer at home from 1997 and complaining that you are only getting 4Meg down when you have a modem capable of 200. :)

Recent threads of people using an ancient, outmoded OS with DAWs that have been out of date, literally, for decades -- then complain that it doesn't work -- I don't get it!
 
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I started following a thread on FB by tascam saying they were going to release a driver soon and looks like they just did today - a lot of people were chiming in on that old unit!

http://tascam.com/product/us-144mkii/downloads/

Tascam doesn't have a history of really working drivers, long-living drivers, actual maintenance on the drivers or support for outside driver developers.

I think they are just contracting out driver development to either a chipmaker or to an independent agency, and in between large single-burst contacts you get nothing.

And of course the contractor cares about fulfilling the words of the contract, which are by their very nature not perfectly aligned with the requirements of the user.
 
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I started following a thread on FB by tascam saying they were going to release a driver soon and looks like they just did today - a lot of people were chiming in on that old unit!

http://tascam.com/product/us-144mkii/downloads/

I have a 144 MK II somewhere ... not the 2 x 2.


I stopped using it because the pots got scratchy and I couldn't figure out how to open it up to clean them. Until it crapped out on me I liked it better than the Focusite 2i4 I use now.

Tascam doesn't have a history of really working drivers, long-living drivers, actual maintenance on the drivers or support for outside driver developers.

I think they are just contracting out driver development to either a chipmaker or to an independent agency, and in between large single-burst contacts you get nothing.

And of course the contractor cares about fulfilling the words of the contract, which are by their very nature not perfectly aligned with the requirements of the user.

In 2013, Teac, Tascam and all their associated brands were acquired...


by Gibson.


That is all.


:no:
 
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Well Gibson's operating system development department should sort out the driver situation for 20 years worth of undocumented chips in random gear right there.

Even if I was running Windows, I would only ever buy hardware that runs well under Linux. Instant brand of the manufacturer doing something right and won't cut you off the drivers tomorrow.
 
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Well Gibson's operating system development department should sort out the driver situation for 20 years worth of undocumented chips in random gear right there.
You assume they have an "operating system development department" for the Teac brands?

:lmao: :laugh2:
 
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You assume they have an "operating system development department" for the Teac brands?

:lmao: :laugh2:

As I said, it was clearly evident that driver development was contracted out even before the Gibson thing.
 
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