Hanging guitars??
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Jack_TriPpEr
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+1 to that. I know hanging them is widespread in retail stores and amongst members here , but it just seems like an unnecessary stress on the neck to support all that weight - the body, the electronics and the hardware.
The rack method seems like a good compromise btw being stored in a case and hanging on a wall - the rack method gives you quick access to the instrument like the hanger, but gives more support to the instrument. I wonder if any rack designs incorporate a clamshell feature to keep dust off and out (?) And-or do any companies make covers that fit racks ?
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+1 to that. I know hanging them is widespread in retail stores and amongst members here , but it just seems like an unnecessary stress on the neck to support all that weight - the body, the electronics and the hardware.
The rack method seems like a good compromise btw being stored in a case and hanging on a wall - the rack method gives you quick access to the instrument like the hanger, but gives more support to the instrument. I wonder if any rack designs incorporate a clamshell feature to keep dust off and out (?) And-or do any companies make covers that fit racks ?
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ibanezrocks
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Isn't the tension from the strings way higher than whatever is caused by hanging the weight of the guitar? It's also along the neck, rather than pulling it forward like the strings do. So I doubt it affects it in any noticeable way.
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Jack_TriPpEr
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True, but the string tension is a stressor on the joint btw the headstock and the neck. My concern is where the neck meets the body... that however the two are joined - bolts or glued on - can come can loose / weakened over time.
True, but the string tension is a stressor on the joint btw the headstock and the neck. My concern is where the neck meets the body... that however the two are joined - bolts or glued on - can come can loose / weakened over time.
Francois
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For me it depends on the guitar :
The neckthough are always hanged (Aria RS-X80 and Epi Thunderbird)
The 60s MIA are never hanged (Fender Electric XII and SG Standard with a weak headstock)
Also my Charvel although cheap never get hanged because the previosu owner broken the headstock and got it badly repaired.
The PE R-60 never gets hanged because it is so **** heavy
Fot other guitars I have no problem hanging the Gibson S-1 but I never hanged the guitars number 1 and 2.
The thing is that it is not entirely clear for me : hanging guitars may releave some string tension in certain parts of the guitar but add some tension in specific point of the headstock.
I agree with Mincer and others who saying the guitar in the case get less played.
But also depend where you leave. I been to indian and there some musicians told me they always keep their instruments inside a plastic protection at rainy season.
For me it depends on the guitar :
The neckthough are always hanged (Aria RS-X80 and Epi Thunderbird)
The 60s MIA are never hanged (Fender Electric XII and SG Standard with a weak headstock)
Also my Charvel although cheap never get hanged because the previosu owner broken the headstock and got it badly repaired.
The PE R-60 never gets hanged because it is so **** heavy
Fot other guitars I have no problem hanging the Gibson S-1 but I never hanged the guitars number 1 and 2.
The thing is that it is not entirely clear for me : hanging guitars may releave some string tension in certain parts of the guitar but add some tension in specific point of the headstock.
I agree with Mincer and others who saying the guitar in the case get less played.
But also depend where you leave. I been to indian and there some musicians told me they always keep their instruments inside a plastic protection at rainy season.
Francois
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Actually the worst thing for guitars (looks only) is a long exposure to direct sunlight.
I did not know and kept my Black Telecaster Deluxe for years (long ago) on a stand by the window and the black colour has weaken.
Last year I saw one in a shop that was still black as brand new (also a Deluxe from the seventies). It must has been kept years in its case.
Actually the worst thing for guitars (looks only) is a long exposure to direct sunlight.
I did not know and kept my Black Telecaster Deluxe for years (long ago) on a stand by the window and the black colour has weaken.
Last year I saw one in a shop that was still black as brand new (also a Deluxe from the seventies). It must has been kept years in its case.
Zerberus
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That is correct. If ANYTHING, it slightly relieves any stress that may be on the joint by introducing a counteracting force that effectively reduces the 90 pounds of string pull to 80 something (depending on weight of the guitar).
In practice: If you´re not using a nitro finished guitar and a hanger specifically known to rub off on nitro, any guitar structurally capable of haldling string tension at pitch can easily handle a wall hanger.
For me, regular players get hangers and the case goes on the shelf. Anything more valuable is in it´s case on the same shelf. They still get played, but as Wattage said the ones in cases get played less regularly, and with some of them that´s the entire point of storing them that way, otherwise before I know WTF happened I´m on a stage or at a jam with one of them.
That is correct. If ANYTHING, it slightly relieves any stress that may be on the joint by introducing a counteracting force that effectively reduces the 90 pounds of string pull to 80 something (depending on weight of the guitar).
In practice: If you´re not using a nitro finished guitar and a hanger specifically known to rub off on nitro, any guitar structurally capable of haldling string tension at pitch can easily handle a wall hanger.
For me, regular players get hangers and the case goes on the shelf. Anything more valuable is in it´s case on the same shelf. They still get played, but as Wattage said the ones in cases get played less regularly, and with some of them that´s the entire point of storing them that way, otherwise before I know WTF happened I´m on a stage or at a jam with one of them.
dpaterson
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Not sure if this means anything but logic tells me that hanging a Gibson is maybe not a good idea as you're actually increasing the pressure in the SAME direction as the strings are pulling not???
I base the above only on something that I found last night and posted on the below link for the sake of interest (never owned a Gibson so not sure of the merits of the article):
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?332638-SNAP!-ARGHHHhhhhhhhh!!!!!&p=4291922&viewfull=1#post4291922
Not sure if this means anything but logic tells me that hanging a Gibson is maybe not a good idea as you're actually increasing the pressure in the SAME direction as the strings are pulling not???
I base the above only on something that I found last night and posted on the below link for the sake of interest (never owned a Gibson so not sure of the merits of the article):
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?332638-SNAP!-ARGHHHhhhhhhhh!!!!!&p=4291922&viewfull=1#post4291922
Re: Hanging guitars??
The string tension is working to fold the guitar.
The truss-rod is working to prevent the guitar from being folded.
The weight of the guitar hanging is working with the truss, assisting in the prevention.
The difference it makes is about nothing.
If the guitar was in the case and the case was laying flat like you were getting ready to take the guitar out, then in that position gravity would still be assisting in the prevention of folding (neck-bowing).
Again, the difference isn't enough to matter.
IMO, of course lol. I have no graphs or scientific data!!!
I have not one veluet (or whatever it's called) guitar.
Mine are all solid maple or maple/walnut and/or neck-thrus,,,,, except for my two prestiges, and those are so light in the bodies it wouldn't matter.
The string tension is working to fold the guitar.
The truss-rod is working to prevent the guitar from being folded.
The weight of the guitar hanging is working with the truss, assisting in the prevention.
The difference it makes is about nothing.
If the guitar was in the case and the case was laying flat like you were getting ready to take the guitar out, then in that position gravity would still be assisting in the prevention of folding (neck-bowing).
Again, the difference isn't enough to matter.
IMO, of course lol. I have no graphs or scientific data!!!
I have not one veluet (or whatever it's called) guitar.
Mine are all solid maple or maple/walnut and/or neck-thrus,,,,, except for my two prestiges, and those are so light in the bodies it wouldn't matter.
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Re: Hanging guitars??
The only thing you need to worry about hanging a guitar is that on a few guitars one of the tuners can actually bear some weight. Not good.
It depends on the tuner position relative to the headstock shape relative to the amount of sway the hanger allows.
For example;
My Carvin st300 has the old 80's downward inline pointy 6 with the newer version carvin 20-1 locking tuners. (gotoh made I think)
Hanging this guitar from my Hercules metal hanger results in horizontal pressure on the guitar's 6th string tuner.
I have another Carvin (dc125) with a reverse version of the same inline pointy 80's headstock.
The 1st string's tuner is completely clear of the hanger's foam, so there's not even any contact.
On every other guitar i have the Hercules hanger is great, just the one Carvin doesn't work right.
Because of that the st300 doesn't even hang quite straight anyways, it wants to hang crooked.
I use my Hercules single floor stand for that one. (a non-hanger/grabber version)
The only thing you need to worry about hanging a guitar is that on a few guitars one of the tuners can actually bear some weight. Not good.
It depends on the tuner position relative to the headstock shape relative to the amount of sway the hanger allows.
For example;
My Carvin st300 has the old 80's downward inline pointy 6 with the newer version carvin 20-1 locking tuners. (gotoh made I think)
Hanging this guitar from my Hercules metal hanger results in horizontal pressure on the guitar's 6th string tuner.
I have another Carvin (dc125) with a reverse version of the same inline pointy 80's headstock.
The 1st string's tuner is completely clear of the hanger's foam, so there's not even any contact.
On every other guitar i have the Hercules hanger is great, just the one Carvin doesn't work right.
Because of that the st300 doesn't even hang quite straight anyways, it wants to hang crooked.
I use my Hercules single floor stand for that one. (a non-hanger/grabber version)
dpaterson
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Hello.
Not sure I agree logically with what you're saying. I think my point was that the extra pressure is being exerted only on the top portion of the neck and headstock by hanging at or just above that (weak???) pivot point i.e. the truss rod doesn't extend into the headstock portion so is not counteracting anything at that point.
But it's probably not an issue i.e. just thought of this thread when I found that article last night is all.
As I said: no expert on Gibsons or anything related to them. Hell and if the truth be told: had you used the word "volute" in my company twenty four hours ago I would have thought you were talking about a measure of alcohol (as in "parts per volume")!!! LOL!!!
Hello.
Only for the sake of argument and discussion do I post this:
Not sure I agree logically with what you're saying. I think my point was that the extra pressure is being exerted only on the top portion of the neck and headstock by hanging at or just above that (weak???) pivot point i.e. the truss rod doesn't extend into the headstock portion so is not counteracting anything at that point.
But it's probably not an issue i.e. just thought of this thread when I found that article last night is all.
As I said: no expert on Gibsons or anything related to them. Hell and if the truth be told: had you used the word "volute" in my company twenty four hours ago I would have thought you were talking about a measure of alcohol (as in "parts per volume")!!! LOL!!!
Re: Hanging guitars??
It's possibly not good, but no worse than owning a Gibson in the first place.!!! (bam, smash, wham, KaPow) <<< sounds of gibby falling to the floor from volute breaking while simply hanging from it's headstock
Volute sounds like it should be a drinking game. lol
It's possibly not good, but no worse than owning a Gibson in the first place.!!! (bam, smash, wham, KaPow) <<< sounds of gibby falling to the floor from volute breaking while simply hanging from it's headstock
Volute sounds like it should be a drinking game. lol
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BriGuy1968
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This is starting to turn into one of those conversations that’s gone waaaaay ‘round the bend of over-thinking! It sometimes amazes me the minutiae that we guitarists get bogged down in... good lord we’re a neurotic bunch!
This is starting to turn into one of those conversations that’s gone waaaaay ‘round the bend of over-thinking! It sometimes amazes me the minutiae that we guitarists get bogged down in... good lord we’re a neurotic bunch!
RorySquier
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Gtrjunior
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Dude, you waaaay overthought that comment
I was thinking the same thing about over-thinking.
;>)/
Dude, you waaaay overthought that comment
RorySquier
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beaubrummels
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Y’all can debate whether to hang em or case em. I have a gig to go to. I’ll be holdin em and playin em.
If the neck breaks while playing em, then I’ll case it and play a different one. That’s why I bought so many.
Y’all can debate whether to hang em or case em. I have a gig to go to. I’ll be holdin em and playin em.
If the neck breaks while playing em, then I’ll case it and play a different one. That’s why I bought so many.
NegativeEase
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There is only 3 factors you need to worry about hanging a guitar
Two minor ones:
1) Do you need extra security/capture on them to prevent getting knocked off? like a high traffic area -use Hercules Hanger or similar brand with this function then.
2) Is there enough padding on the hanger to no wear the finish off the guitar -Hardware store hooks will eventually damage the finish on your guitar -no too big of a deal, but all you 80s scale savages on this forum with your ultra rare super strats with airbrushed gothic paintjob probably will not like that.
Major one:
3) Although EVEN properly displaced weight on the headstock when hanging guitars is no issue AT ALL -as mentioned before -without the center of gravity and hanger position offset to reflect any weight off the center line, uneven weight to either side of a headstock (especially from a non-symmetrical headstock) can make for the weight of the guitar creating torsion on the neck and ultimately intonation and neck straightness issues -make sure the weight of your guitar is resolved to the lowest swing of a pendulum and the hanger prongs adjusted to meet the headstock wherever this lands the prongs.
The EASIEST way to avoid this is to have a guitar hanger brand the free swings on it's rotation axis -many do. If you do not have these, and use those Home depot/Hardware store garage hangers, you need to be mindful of this and perhaps off set the prongs to resolve the weight evenly -including placing the same guitar in the same hanger each time so you don't need to adjust.
There is only 3 factors you need to worry about hanging a guitar
Two minor ones:
1) Do you need extra security/capture on them to prevent getting knocked off? like a high traffic area -use Hercules Hanger or similar brand with this function then.
2) Is there enough padding on the hanger to no wear the finish off the guitar -Hardware store hooks will eventually damage the finish on your guitar -no too big of a deal, but all you 80s scale savages on this forum with your ultra rare super strats with airbrushed gothic paintjob probably will not like that.
Major one:
3) Although EVEN properly displaced weight on the headstock when hanging guitars is no issue AT ALL -as mentioned before -without the center of gravity and hanger position offset to reflect any weight off the center line, uneven weight to either side of a headstock (especially from a non-symmetrical headstock) can make for the weight of the guitar creating torsion on the neck and ultimately intonation and neck straightness issues -make sure the weight of your guitar is resolved to the lowest swing of a pendulum and the hanger prongs adjusted to meet the headstock wherever this lands the prongs.
The EASIEST way to avoid this is to have a guitar hanger brand the free swings on it's rotation axis -many do. If you do not have these, and use those Home depot/Hardware store garage hangers, you need to be mindful of this and perhaps off set the prongs to resolve the weight evenly -including placing the same guitar in the same hanger each time so you don't need to adjust.
RorySquier
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Re: Hanging guitars??
With all this scientific information that you have presented here I bet you could write a 375 page book or manual on the science of hanging guitars...it would definitely be a seller and you could retire on the profits you would have made on your informative book.
;>)/
There is only 3 factors you need to worry about hanging a guitar
Two minor ones:
1) Do you need extra security/capture on them to prevent getting knocked off? like a high traffic area -use Hercules Hanger or similar brand with this function then.
2) Is there enough padding on the hanger to no wear the finish off the guitar -Hardware store hooks will eventually damage the finish on your guitar -no too big of a deal, but all you 80s scale savages on this forum with your ultra rare super strats with airbrushed gothic paintjob probably will not like that.
Major one:
3) Although EVEN properly displaced weight on the headstock when hanging guitars is no issue AT ALL -as mentioned before -without the center of gravity and hanger position offset to reflect any weight off the center line, uneven weight to either side of a headstock (especially from a non-symmetrical headstock) can make for the weight of the guitar creating torsion on the neck and ultimately intonation and neck straightness issues -make sure the weight of your guitar is resolved to the lowest swing of a pendulum and the hanger prongs adjusted to meet the headstock wherever this lands the prongs.
The EASIEST way to avoid this is to have a guitar hanger brand the free swings on it's rotation axis -many do. If you do not have these, and use those Home depot/Hardware store garage hangers, you need to be mindful of this and perhaps off set the prongs to resolve the weight evenly -including placing the same guitar in the same hanger each time so you don't need to adjust.
With all this scientific information that you have presented here I bet you could write a 375 page book or manual on the science of hanging guitars...it would definitely be a seller and you could retire on the profits you would have made on your informative book.
;>)/
NegativeEase
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Yeah, I get nerdy....
With all this scientific information that you have presented here I bet you could write a 375 page book or manual on the science of hanging guitars...it would definitely be a seller and you could retire on the profits you would have made on your informative book.
;>)/
Yeah, I get nerdy....
