Hardtail bridge differences.
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TwofacePimp
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Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
That's like comparing apples and oranges. They're usually found on different types of guitars that sound VERY different from each other. I guess the main difference is that the strat hardtail has strings that go through the body and the tune-o-matic does not. You can also set the string height individually with the strat hardtail, while the TOM bridge has screws on the both sides that raise and lower the whole bridge. Finally, with the TOM you can lower or raise the tailpiece a little to change the string tension, which you cannot do with the strat hardtail.
Lots of pros and cons, but these bridges are both usually seen as a part of a larger guitar design, and are not usually options for the same type of guitar.
That's like comparing apples and oranges. They're usually found on different types of guitars that sound VERY different from each other. I guess the main difference is that the strat hardtail has strings that go through the body and the tune-o-matic does not. You can also set the string height individually with the strat hardtail, while the TOM bridge has screws on the both sides that raise and lower the whole bridge. Finally, with the TOM you can lower or raise the tailpiece a little to change the string tension, which you cannot do with the strat hardtail.
Lots of pros and cons, but these bridges are both usually seen as a part of a larger guitar design, and are not usually options for the same type of guitar.
Artie
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Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
Thanks for that info TwofacePimp. (Why do I feel like I've just insulted you, after using your screen name?) :laugh2:
This will be for a guitar I'm building. It'll be a basic solid-body, probably styled after the Fender Toronado. (The guitar in red, above.) But I was thinking of using a Hipshot, or similiar.
Thanks for that info TwofacePimp. (Why do I feel like I've just insulted you, after using your screen name?) :laugh2:
This will be for a guitar I'm building. It'll be a basic solid-body, probably styled after the Fender Toronado. (The guitar in red, above.) But I was thinking of using a Hipshot, or similiar.
Cory_Dylan
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Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
fftopic: but i love strat hardtails :32:
fftopic: but i love strat hardtails :32:
Artie
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Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
Me too.
I guess, another way to pose this question is: is there some sonic reason Fender chose that particular bridge for the Toronado, but the other style for the Strat? Is it just styling?
Cory_Dylan said:
Me too.
I guess, another way to pose this question is: is there some sonic reason Fender chose that particular bridge for the Toronado, but the other style for the Strat? Is it just styling?
Cory_Dylan
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Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
My guess would be is that all Strats are made basically the same. If they were to put a TOM bridge on a strat, it would have to be made much different. (no cavity for the bridge, neck tilted back, etc.) Could you see a TOM and stop bar on a strat? It would be cool, but i wouldn't like it. Keep a strat a strat.
ArtieToo said:Me too.
I guess, another way to pose this question is: is there some sonic reason Fender chose that particular bridge for the Toronado, but the other style for the Strat? Is it just styling?
My guess would be is that all Strats are made basically the same. If they were to put a TOM bridge on a strat, it would have to be made much different. (no cavity for the bridge, neck tilted back, etc.) Could you see a TOM and stop bar on a strat? It would be cool, but i wouldn't like it. Keep a strat a strat.
kaknight
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that's a good point. the TOM bridges are usually on guitars that have a neck angle greater than 0 (ie usually not bolt-on strat style bodies). I don't know about the tornado, although I would guess that it has a neck mounting angle greater than 0. The TOM bridge sits pretty high. this is fine with a neck that angles for geometric reasons. the strat style bridge is lower so you can use a neck with no angle. I have a string through hard tail like that strat above, in my MM axis. It's really nice and simple and has great tone. Also, you can get them in either the wider normal strat width, or in a narrower, better for humbucker width.
that's a good point. the TOM bridges are usually on guitars that have a neck angle greater than 0 (ie usually not bolt-on strat style bodies). I don't know about the tornado, although I would guess that it has a neck mounting angle greater than 0. The TOM bridge sits pretty high. this is fine with a neck that angles for geometric reasons. the strat style bridge is lower so you can use a neck with no angle. I have a string through hard tail like that strat above, in my MM axis. It's really nice and simple and has great tone. Also, you can get them in either the wider normal strat width, or in a narrower, better for humbucker width.
UCSDBoy
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You know, I was going to mention the neck-tilt thing too, but funny thing is, I just remembered seeing the TOM setup on a carvin neck through before (SC90, I think it was)... I guess there's a way to get that thing down there so you don't need the tilt. (I remember it was much lower to the body than on a normal guitar)...
Other than that I think the fact that the fender style is string through body enhances the sustain. Oh, I've also heard that in general the fender style is brighter than a TOM like...
You know, I was going to mention the neck-tilt thing too, but funny thing is, I just remembered seeing the TOM setup on a carvin neck through before (SC90, I think it was)... I guess there's a way to get that thing down there so you don't need the tilt. (I remember it was much lower to the body than on a normal guitar)...
Other than that I think the fact that the fender style is string through body enhances the sustain. Oh, I've also heard that in general the fender style is brighter than a TOM like...
Artie
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Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
I take it that TOM is an acronym for something? What?
I guess I'll use the Hipshot, "Strat" style bridge. The Fender Toronado is what I found that seems to be the higher quality version of the Ibby Jetking that I was gassing for. There's just something about that basic body style that appeals to me.
But, it still has some styleing that I don't like. Again, the pickguard looks like it was made for another guitar, and I don't like the placement of the 3-way. (Or the knobs, for that matter.)
So, I'm going to attempt to "roll-my-own".
I take it that TOM is an acronym for something? What?
I guess I'll use the Hipshot, "Strat" style bridge. The Fender Toronado is what I found that seems to be the higher quality version of the Ibby Jetking that I was gassing for. There's just something about that basic body style that appeals to me.
But, it still has some styleing that I don't like. Again, the pickguard looks like it was made for another guitar, and I don't like the placement of the 3-way. (Or the knobs, for that matter.)
So, I'm going to attempt to "roll-my-own".
Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
Tune-o-matic.
Didn't Samick make a strat-styled guitar once with a tune-o-matic bridge? I seem to remember that there was no tailpiece, instead the strings went into ferrules and through the body. It had 3 angled P90s instead of 3 standard single coils too.
If the tune-o-matic is too high, maybe you could recess it into the top of the body slightly or something?
ArtieToo said:I take it that TOM is an acronym for something? What?
Tune-o-matic.
Didn't Samick make a strat-styled guitar once with a tune-o-matic bridge? I seem to remember that there was no tailpiece, instead the strings went into ferrules and through the body. It had 3 angled P90s instead of 3 standard single coils too.
If the tune-o-matic is too high, maybe you could recess it into the top of the body slightly or something?
Cory_Dylan
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Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
there wouldn't be enough string angle behind the saddles, even if it were a string through body.
southadc said:
there wouldn't be enough string angle behind the saddles, even if it were a string through body.
Artie
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Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
Hi Beebe; I noticed in one of your other posts, that you actually own a Toronado. How do you like it? How does the neck feel? I'm not really all that concerned with its sound, because I'ld immediately "Duncanize" it if I get one.
Just overall, what do you think of the guitar?
Thanks, Artie.
Hi Beebe; I noticed in one of your other posts, that you actually own a Toronado. How do you like it? How does the neck feel? I'm not really all that concerned with its sound, because I'ld immediately "Duncanize" it if I get one.
Just overall, what do you think of the guitar?
Thanks, Artie.
Fresh_Start
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Re: Hardtail bridge differences.
Artie -
Have you looked at this Hipshot? Several guys I respect like it a lot.
BTW working out the correct neck angle for a TOM bridge can be a bear for an amateur like myself - I'm struggling with one right now
Chip
Artie -
Have you looked at this Hipshot? Several guys I respect like it a lot.
BTW working out the correct neck angle for a TOM bridge can be a bear for an amateur like myself - I'm struggling with one right now
Chip
