Having problems with 59 set

[AudioWonderland]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

if you have a correct set of 59s (i.e. a 59b and a 59n) then they are wired rwrp so that when both are selected then they will be out of phase.

That's not accurate. If that were the case you would be getting the Peter Green sound. I have used 59 sets for years and that is not the case.

 

[AudioWonderland]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

Yep fuse...sorry i made a mistake about phase....however...a correct set of 59s will have the neck and bridge pickups RWRP to each other, so the in between position is hum cancelling (not out of phase as you pointed out). Anyway...the in between position should sound really good for the OP. So i reckon there is something amiss that the tech has not noticed.

How can a pickup with 2 coils be RWRP from another pickup with 2 coils? Each pickup individually is already hum canceling. That's all that needs to be done. If you are hearing noise when using one individually you have a problem elsewhere in the circuit

 

[JeffB]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

First thing I would ask before getting into the techno mumbo jumbo, is do you have a 59 BRIDGE model in the bridge, or a NECK model? You did not specify which 59 was in the bridge position.

 

[Mad Raxz]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

if you have a correct set of 59s (i.e. a 59b and a 59n) then they are wired rwrp so that when both are selected then they will be out of phase.

Gibson 175 is partially right! The MAGNET on a 59N is upside down. If you have a 59 set, and almost any other set, at hand just place them one untop of the other. Face to face. Screw poles facing themselves. Normal buckers will atract themselves, but when the magnet is upside down they will reject themselves.

Any 59N rejects a bridge bucker when you lay them face to face, screw poles facing each other. The magnet orientation on the 59N is upside down!

I saw this yesterday with a C5B and 59N, and last week with a JBb and 59N.

 

[gary mitchell]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

It is a 59 bridge.

 

[gary mitchell]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

Also it doe's not have as much volume as the neck pickup

 

[AudioWonderland]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

Also it doe's not have as much volume as the neck pickup

1 - tap a pole piece of each coil. if its working you should hear a thump through the amp

2 - lower the neck pickup flush with the pup ring and raise the the bridge pup. The 59's are pretty close in output. if you want them balanced the bridge pickup will be a lot closer to the strings than the neck pickup

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

Ok! so clearly im confused as hell about pickup wiring! ....but why do the two pickups hum less than when each is on individually?

 

[gripweed]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

Ok, before you do anything else, take your guitar to another tech and ask if the guitar was wired correctly. Ignore all these side discussions about swapping magnets and whether or not two pickups on is supposed to reduce hum. You don't have to have the other tech do the work if money is an issue. If it is determined that it has been wired incorrectly (the tech should be able to hear it), you can always take it back to GC and tell them they need to fix the problem for free.

Then if you want to bother with magnet swapping etc., then have a go at it.

 

[FuseG4]

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Also it doe's not have as much volume as the neck pickup

even when it is wired correctly, this is somewhat common. That's the point of adjusting the height of the bridge humbucker first and then adjusting the neck pickup to match that volume level. If you neck pickup ends up really low in the ring, that's OK, it's just what that guitar needs.

The string vibrates in a wider elipse above the neck pickup, versus over the bridge pickup. That equals more volume (you can test this acoustically by picking over both pickups). The neck position is naturally louder for equal pickups at the same height from the strings.

The solution is to drop the height of the neck bucker.

 

[gary mitchell]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

I took to another tech, and I guess it just comes down to I just don't like the combo. He ask me someone I like to listen to clean I told him Santana, Chet Atkins, I liked hearing Gary Moore playing clean. Like I said I guess I just don't like the 59 combo. Now I am starting all over I guess. The best sounding guitar I ever had was a Yamaha SA2200 but that was a semi hollow guitar like a ES335. I had to let it go to pay my kids hospital bill years ago. Now what do I do now. I like to get into that ball park again.

 

[formula73]

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Oh man. An SA2200...man, I wish I had me one of those.

 

[JeffB]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

Sounds like you want A2 pickups or a more mellow A5/A4/A3 style PAF- the 59 can be real stiff, boomy/bassy/mid scooped (both positions) and thin on the high strings for the bridge position.

People have speculated all over the place about the Greeny Les paul, but general concensus is those pickups were not A5, they certainly don't sound like typical A5- they are very middy and warm. His other old 58 (open coils) sounded more like A5 with bigger bass/treble, and in recent years he played Burstbuckers 1/2/3 in his newer Gibsons (A2)

I'd say give a pair of Duncan Seths a try or you could try some A2 mags in your 59s to go the cheaper route. They seem to be getting some love around here lately.

 

[gary mitchell]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

You know what about the SD humbucker size P90s, Les Paul played P90s alot and had a great clean sound.

 

[FuseG4]

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he did have a great clean sound. I haven't played the phat cats but they might work well for you.

 

[gary mitchell]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

I am really considering the phat cats.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

i know im way off track with all that techo phase stuff etc (im a musician not a tech) , but a pair of 59s should sound great in all 3 positions...something is defnitely wrong. Get it fixed before you consider any new pickups or magnets etc.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

I think you went the wrong way with the 59's. not your cup 'o tea. Why won't you try the set lover-set? those pickups are sweet and kind and very, very forgiving. imho.

 

[FuseG4]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

I think you went the wrong way with the 59's. not your cup 'o tea. Why won't you try the set lover-set? those pickups are sweet and kind and very, very forgiving. imho.

i'd say if he doesn't go for phat cats, these would be the ones (or antiquities). A2Ps are kinda weak/too polite sounding sometimes, and PGs sound very "out front" and the bridge feels pretty hot for a pickup of that spec. That leaves only the seths if you're staying with duncans main PAF lineup.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Having problems with 59 set

i'd say if he doesn't go for phat cats, these would be the ones (or antiquities). A2Ps are kinda weak/too polite sounding sometimes, and PGs sound very "out front" and the bridge feels pretty hot for a pickup of that spec. That leaves only the seths if you're staying with duncans main PAF lineup.

Phat cats are so raw and raunchy in my opinion. Seths are sweeter,which goes great with santana style stuff...

P.s. I won't recommend other brands cause I don't like other brands