haze vs DSL
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FuseG4
Our Neighbor Totoro
Re: haze vs DSL
I like the night train and wanna keep it but what I'm looking for is to go a lil further into the british gain territory. I rock it thru a single greenback. I plan to experiment with a g12h later or maybe a cab with a greenback and a g12h. and once I get this new amp, I plan to use the night train the way people use an AC15. Mild overdrive for blues, and semi-clean but loud for that early 60's london kinda tone. The el84 compression sounds "right" with the bright mode for that brit-pop sound. It doesn't feel right with the thick mode when the gain is up. The thick mode, where all the gain is, is verry thick and works well for a "woman" tone with an LP's tone controls rolled off. It's not as adept at more modern sounds. I need a balance between the brightness of the bright mode and the gain of the thick mode. Boosting the bright mode definitely exacerbates the lowend compression. I can feel when it hits a point where it's being hit with too much boost, and I'd honestly like a lil more gain than that.
Interesting that you brought up the MA series. I was thinking about the 50W combo, as the features fit the bill of what I think i want. I've heard people diss on them a lot but most of those people don't ever justify their opinions. I'm willing to look at one for sure.
As far as internet clips go, they definitely seem to have a lot of presence or cut. I bet a warmer (and broken in) speaker and some new tubes would turn it into something pretty cool. Anyways I like the idea of spring reverb, and the crunch balance control. So far to my ears it sounds like it has a nice amount of gain compared to the haze.
The Haze is good, but I'm just trying to make sure I think this through.
I like the night train and wanna keep it but what I'm looking for is to go a lil further into the british gain territory. I rock it thru a single greenback. I plan to experiment with a g12h later or maybe a cab with a greenback and a g12h. and once I get this new amp, I plan to use the night train the way people use an AC15. Mild overdrive for blues, and semi-clean but loud for that early 60's london kinda tone. The el84 compression sounds "right" with the bright mode for that brit-pop sound. It doesn't feel right with the thick mode when the gain is up. The thick mode, where all the gain is, is verry thick and works well for a "woman" tone with an LP's tone controls rolled off. It's not as adept at more modern sounds. I need a balance between the brightness of the bright mode and the gain of the thick mode. Boosting the bright mode definitely exacerbates the lowend compression. I can feel when it hits a point where it's being hit with too much boost, and I'd honestly like a lil more gain than that.
Interesting that you brought up the MA series. I was thinking about the 50W combo, as the features fit the bill of what I think i want. I've heard people diss on them a lot but most of those people don't ever justify their opinions. I'm willing to look at one for sure.
As far as internet clips go, they definitely seem to have a lot of presence or cut. I bet a warmer (and broken in) speaker and some new tubes would turn it into something pretty cool. Anyways I like the idea of spring reverb, and the crunch balance control. So far to my ears it sounds like it has a nice amount of gain compared to the haze.
The Haze is good, but I'm just trying to make sure I think this through.
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Funkfingers
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Re: haze vs DSL
IMO, the Marshall Haze 40 succeeds at offering classic crunchy Marshall valve overdrive at a sensible sound pressure level for club, bar and garage venues. Using a more powerful amplifier turned down low does not allow it to give of its best.
Where the Haze 40 loses out to the DSL/TSL designs is in the maximum available gain. Some players will feel the need of a Distortion or Booster pedal to roughen things up.
IMO, the Marshall Haze 40 succeeds at offering classic crunchy Marshall valve overdrive at a sensible sound pressure level for club, bar and garage venues. Using a more powerful amplifier turned down low does not allow it to give of its best.
Where the Haze 40 loses out to the DSL/TSL designs is in the maximum available gain. Some players will feel the need of a Distortion or Booster pedal to roughen things up.
FuseG4
Our Neighbor Totoro
Re: haze vs DSL
I like your resourcefulness. however, the first link, the guy sells mostly Kustom stuff. not really what I'm looking for, per se.
Dan's Guitar Repair did the bone nut for my strat. The other week he had 2 HRDx's for cheap, a silverface vibrochamp (actually a Bronco amp), and a room full of Dr. Z stuff that I didn't get to try out. Outta my price range for sure!
The one other store in the area is a peavey dealer. I kinda liked the JSX hald stack but that thing was expensive and the ultra channel was OK but not great. they had a peavey windsor and I think it needed new tubes.
Saint George sucks. There's no market for guitar gear down here. I see the same gear hanging out in these shops for months.
I like your resourcefulness. however, the first link, the guy sells mostly Kustom stuff. not really what I'm looking for, per se.
Dan's Guitar Repair did the bone nut for my strat. The other week he had 2 HRDx's for cheap, a silverface vibrochamp (actually a Bronco amp), and a room full of Dr. Z stuff that I didn't get to try out. Outta my price range for sure!
The one other store in the area is a peavey dealer. I kinda liked the JSX hald stack but that thing was expensive and the ultra channel was OK but not great. they had a peavey windsor and I think it needed new tubes.
Saint George sucks. There's no market for guitar gear down here. I see the same gear hanging out in these shops for months.
FuseG4
Our Neighbor Totoro
Re: haze vs DSL
These two things combined basically make me wanna play the MA50C and if I don't like it I'll jump on the Haze.
These two things combined basically make me wanna play the MA50C and if I don't like it I'll jump on the Haze.
korovamilkdud
WhoDatologist
Re: haze vs DSL
Vegas. Hour away.
On a side note, Dan's wife just had an accident and needs surgery for her elbow. Too bad, they're good folks. Dan did a killer saddle job on my Paul.
Vegas. Hour away.
On a side note, Dan's wife just had an accident and needs surgery for her elbow. Too bad, they're good folks. Dan did a killer saddle job on my Paul.
korovamilkdud
WhoDatologist
Re: haze vs DSL
Hell, get him in on it! Even if you guys have to schedule a couple days off at your respective jobs...I'm sure you'll all find it COMPLETELY worth it.
DOOOO EEEEET. :firedevil
Hell, get him in on it! Even if you guys have to schedule a couple days off at your respective jobs...I'm sure you'll all find it COMPLETELY worth it.
DOOOO EEEEET. :firedevil
FuseG4
Our Neighbor Totoro
Empty Pockets
BadHairDayologist
Re: haze vs DSL
I just spent a lot of time with the MA50 half stack in my shop.
I really like it.
Enough gain for Slayer...more optimal for a british medium-gain tone but will go heavier. Barely even got the master volume up...probably gets heavier when that's cranked.
If I was gonna buy a new Marshall I think that'd be the one. Great value for the money.
I just spent a lot of time with the MA50 half stack in my shop.
I really like it.
Enough gain for Slayer...more optimal for a british medium-gain tone but will go heavier. Barely even got the master volume up...probably gets heavier when that's cranked.
If I was gonna buy a new Marshall I think that'd be the one. Great value for the money.
surface54
New member
Re: haze vs DSL
ill tell you right now, i have a stock DSL100, new tubes and it signs full bodied tone at .75 on the volume..so the haze is worthless if you can have a good bedroom level with the DSL, and if you wantto blast the house with great amazing rock tones, the DSL do can as well.
its a full package inside and out.
ill tell you right now, i have a stock DSL100, new tubes and it signs full bodied tone at .75 on the volume..so the haze is worthless if you can have a good bedroom level with the DSL, and if you wantto blast the house with great amazing rock tones, the DSL do can as well.
its a full package inside and out.
super rad stuff
Skaforlifeologist
Re: haze vs DSL
get the hell down here man, i'll take ya around the shops here:naughty:
get the hell down here man, i'll take ya around the shops here:naughty:
Petrovsk Mizinski
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Re: haze vs DSL
I think the assumption is if you're gonna be buying any kind of tube amp of that wattage you're using it for recording or as part of a stage rig, so yes, that headroom can seriously come in handy
I think the assumption is if you're gonna be buying any kind of tube amp of that wattage you're using it for recording or as part of a stage rig, so yes, that headroom can seriously come in handy
FuseG4
Our Neighbor Totoro
mwalluk
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JohnnyGuitar
New member
Re: haze vs DSL
What he said. If you play mostly at home - you don't need a big amp. If you're planning to gig - a half stack will require a bigger car, someplace to park near the club and probably someone to help you carry it. From my gigging experience, all three conditions are not easy to fulfill.
You made me want to try one as well...
What he said. If you play mostly at home - you don't need a big amp. If you're planning to gig - a half stack will require a bigger car, someplace to park near the club and probably someone to help you carry it. From my gigging experience, all three conditions are not easy to fulfill.
You made me want to try one as well...
Empty Pockets
BadHairDayologist
Re: haze vs DSL
i was pretty surprised. i remember testing them when they first came in and saying "Yeah that's a Marshall" but i never really sat there and drilled it like i did last night.
The cleans are clean, the overdrive is overdriven and the boost makes it heavier. What else do you need?
i was pretty surprised. i remember testing them when they first came in and saying "Yeah that's a Marshall" but i never really sat there and drilled it like i did last night.
The cleans are clean, the overdrive is overdriven and the boost makes it heavier. What else do you need?
lex666
New member
Re: haze vs DSL
Does it have to be a Marshall?
For those styles you listed, I was gonna suggest a Mesa Stilletto. Seriously. This amp should be able to cover those tones and more when compared to a Marshall.
Plus, being able to switch between 50 and 100 watts on any of the 4 channels would have you ready for just about any situation.
Does it have to be a Marshall?
For those styles you listed, I was gonna suggest a Mesa Stilletto. Seriously. This amp should be able to cover those tones and more when compared to a Marshall.
Plus, being able to switch between 50 and 100 watts on any of the 4 channels would have you ready for just about any situation.
JohnnyGuitar
New member
Re: haze vs DSL
I'm kind of surprised you like them. Not sure, but I recall you had a lot of bad things to say about them when they first came out.
I admit that there's a lot of Made In East-Asia gear that I GAS for. Not only because of the lower price but mostly because brands like Fender, Gibson and Marshall insist on making the historic reissues and collector's items in their western world factories and let the offshore manufacturers make all the innovative/player oriented/comfortable/fun stuff.
I'm kind of surprised you like them. Not sure, but I recall you had a lot of bad things to say about them when they first came out.
I admit that there's a lot of Made In East-Asia gear that I GAS for. Not only because of the lower price but mostly because brands like Fender, Gibson and Marshall insist on making the historic reissues and collector's items in their western world factories and let the offshore manufacturers make all the innovative/player oriented/comfortable/fun stuff.