hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

Thanks Christian! Guys who say there's no diff have probably not used them side by side and actually played and listened and compared.
That's the thing: don't take my word for it or anyone elses. Use your own guitar and ears and hear for yourself. That's reality...not theory. The heck with theory...that's all in the mind. The proof is when you do an actual A/B test and then play, listen and compare.
I'll tell you this: it's a much more obvious diff than the diff people claim they hear between a .02 Hovland Oil cap and a .02 Sprague Orange Drop cap used in a guitar's tone circuit. (laugh!) But that's a whole other can of worms...:welcome:
lew

Thats the whole thing...try it for yourself!!! I woudl never have learned some of the things I know w/o a lot of trial and error and side by side comparsions of similar things to see what changes in make up made what differences in tone...

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

Yep, the sag function is a very cool feature

I love it!!! I used to keep less than 9v batteries laying around for OD's and Fuzz boxes but now I just use ports 7 or 8 and I keep the SAG control almost all the way down.

 

[firebirdV]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

Maybe the reason that some people like batteries more has to do with the internal resistance that is built up, not necessarily just the change in voltage.
Weird stuff happens in real world situations.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

Guys who say there's no diff have probably not used them side by side and actually played and listened and compared.

Ding ding ding!!!! We have a winner folks

That's the thing: don't take my word for it or anyone elses. Use your own guitar and ears and hear for yourself. That's reality...not theory. The heck with theory...that's all in the mind. The proof is when you do an actual A/B test and then play, listen and compare.

My god..... Lew, could you be any more spot on in a single thread???

Everyone, take a step back, and repeat to yourself, "To heck with theory, listen and compare...."

Then have a beer or something and play your guitar :beerchug:

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

I forgot to mention, I have an electronics instructor at school who would support the "batteries make a difference" guys. I asked him about a bunch of this crap, to get an opinion from somebody who didn't play guitar, knew nothing of fuzz pedals, and would give me a strictly technical answer.

When I asked if different types of batteries, or just batteries rather than AC would make a difference in this situation, his answer was "Absolutely", then he went on to more eloquently explain how as the battery gets weaker, the circuit is still able to work, but on a lower voltage, so it does indeed sound different.

 

[idsnowdog]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

I forgot to mention, I have an electronics instructor at school who would support the "batteries make a difference" guys. I asked him about a bunch of this crap, to get an opinion from somebody who didn't play guitar, knew nothing of fuzz pedals, and would give me a strictly technical answer.

When I asked if different types of batteries, or just batteries rather than AC would make a difference in this situation, his answer was "Absolutely", then he went on to more eloquently explain how as the battery gets weaker, the circuit is still able to work, but on a lower voltage, so it does indeed sound different.

So you are saying that a difference in batteries, may mean a difference in the amount of voltage that is presented to a circuit? Because different types of batteries discharge at different rates? Ala the brown sound?

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

For what it's worth, I'd like to pick batteries based on how environmentally-friendly they can be, not how they sound. Anyone have any good info on environmentally-friendly batteries (not just rechargeable, but recyclable too) before I go Google?

EDIT: mercury and cadmium are bad to have in ground water, so NiCad is off the list of usable ones....

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

NiMH 9 volt battery with USB that recharges itself


Now THAT is 1) smart, 2) earth-friendly, 3) rechargeable.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

So you are saying that a difference in batteries, may mean a difference in the amount of voltage that is presented to a circuit? Because different types of batteries discharge at different rates? Ala the brown sound?

That's is pretty much how I took it. Given the fact that what the load sees from a battery depends on stuff other than the "9V" printed on the label, and given that said stuff depends on manufacturing procedures, and given that manufacturing procedures are obviously going to differ from one manufacturer to another.... it seems pretty cut and dry that they're not all the same

We've all used cd players, flashlights, etc.... and found that different brands last different amounts of time, so that in itself should be proof enough that they're not all the same.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: hEAVEY dUTY OR AKALINE BATTERY FOR 9v EFFECTS?

Maybe the reason that some people like batteries more has to do with the internal resistance that is built up, not necessarily just the change in voltage.
Weird stuff happens in real world situations.

Indeed.

I haven't measured new Carbon Zinc batteries vs. Alkaline or other types to see if the Carbon Zinc has lower than 9 volts or less voltage than the alkaline. I'd be surprised if it's as simple as that.

I've always assumed the diff in tone had to do with something other than the amount of voltage. "What" I don't know! :eyecrazy:

I do know that I hear a small diff in the tone of my 69 pedal when comparing the tone using a new carbon battery (the tone sounds smoother and less "spitty"), a new alkaline battery (the tone sounds stiffer) and a battery eliminator (again, the sound sounds tighter and stiffer).

I notice it specifically when using my Fulltone 69 pedal with the germanium resistors.

Lew