HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

[TheOceanWillJump]

i installed a little 59er in my tele bridge spot fairly recently...black to the selector switch (same spot as previous pickup) white and red togehter, silver and green together and grounded. I get this terrible you-didnt-ground-this-right noise (that diminishes whne i touch something grounded...) as well as when both the little 59er and the stock neck pickup are selected together (middle position) this nasally, out of phase sound. what did i do wrong/how can i fix this! this is sort of urgent, so hopefully i'll hear back soon! thanks in advance!

-Rob

 

[Istanbul]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

change black and green cables..

Green to switch, black and base to volume or tone pot as ground
Red and white together and close their heads...

 

[TheOceanWillJump]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

thanks...i tried that and it didnt help the hum. i honestly couldnt tell you if it helped the out of phase sound or not because i took the strings off recently to get under the pickup, but i dont really understand whats causing all the noise. i put the original pickup back in and that was noisey too. would having the strings of and just running into an amp be noisey? maybe i should just take it to someone? though i wish turnaround was faster, so i'd like to do it by myself. Thanks though, please continue to try to help! its greatly appreciated!

-Rob

 

[TheOceanWillJump]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

by the way...i feel like where the ground is failing is with the actual bridge plate. it should be grounded just by contact with the pickup, shouldnt it?

 

[Scott Miller]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

Actually, the Little 59 for Tele does not have a bottom-plate. So if your bridge was being grounded through the bottom-plate of your original bridge pickup (which is normal for most vintage Tele's), then you may not have a bridge ground in the guitar any longer. These days, Fender is grounding the bridge separately with a wire that just sits under the bridge.

If your guitar did not have a sepatate bridge ground, then you will need to add one. Solder a wire to the bottom of your volume pot, then run the other end of that wire into the lead pickup cavity and put the other end of that wire under the bridge (strip about 1" of insulation from the end of the wire and then screw the bridge right down on top of it so that it is smashed between the body of the guitar and the bottom of the bridge plate.

 

[TheOceanWillJump]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

thanks scott, that sounds like it might handle my problem. as for the out of phase-ness when the middle position is selected...shoudl i be switching the hot and the ground? (green to switch, black to pot, as someone suggested)

 

[TheOceanWillJump]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

so i tried to the above mentioned idea. it didnt work. so i took out the bridge pickup completely, leaving just the neck wired. i realized i still have the hum with just the neck pickup in. i havent rewired it in anyway, and i didnt have hte problem previous to putting the new pickup in, however, is it possible to turn a preexisting solder cold? because i think that might be my issue, if i resolder the grounds on the neck pickup as well (the solder is now dull grey, so im assuming its a bad solder) Thanks again for the help guys. im fairly new to this, and i really appreciate it

 

[TheOceanWillJump]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

ok, if anyone cares anymore, this is where im at...

i've fixed the phasing (switched the hot and the ground, thanks for the tip!) however i still get this rediculously loud hum. i resoldered all the grounds so those are all nice and shiny. the rest of the solders look solid and conductive as well. the only way i got the hum to go away was hook a wire from middle prong on the volume pot, to the ground, but as im sure you know, that disabled thepickups entirely. am i missing a ground? theres a ground from each pick up (two on the bridge p/u, black/bare wires), and one from the input jack...am i missing something?

 

[jony]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

Check cables and amp?

 

[TheOceanWillJump]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

cables and amp are fine. i got the bridge plate grounded now too, so at least it only hums badly/loudly when im not touching the strings, and luckly you have to touch the strings to play but its still a pretty bad hum...any ideas? fried pot maybe? need to sheild the cavaties?

 

[Arun]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

hi,
i am arun and i have almost the same problem.what do i have to do with the connected white and red.maybe you can help me.thanks

 

[TheOceanWillJump]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

you just solder them together, and wrap them in electrical tape. then they just hang out in the control cavity.

 

[Istanbul]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

ok, if anyone cares anymore, this is where im at...

i've fixed the phasing (switched the hot and the ground, thanks for the tip!) however i still get this rediculously loud hum. i resoldered all the grounds so those are all nice and shiny. the rest of the solders look solid and conductive as well. the only way i got the hum to go away was hook a wire from middle prong on the volume pot, to the ground, but as im sure you know, that disabled thepickups entirely. am i missing a ground? theres a ground from each pick up (two on the bridge p/u, black/bare wires), and one from the input jack...am i missing something?

You do !.. There should be another cable which comes from your bridge plate. My Tele has this cable and it should be soldered as the main ground of the guitar. When this cable fails, my guitar makes a very smilar hum as you describe.

 

[Arun]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

thanks for the information.i made everything right.now i try it with fixing the electronic, ground and pichguardwith aluminium foil.

 

[Robert S.]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

Usually with Teles the bridge is grounded by a wire connected to the pot chassis at one end and the other end of the wire is pressed to the bridge by screwing the bridge to the body. If that connection is not made you will get noise.

You usually have to use the green as hot when mixing with Fender singles, but that has been covered.

Since your guitar hums in all positions it's a problem common to both pickups. Teles share components for both pickups and the volume and tone pots are common. If you over-heated a pot while soldering this may also be a cause of your hum.

If you have an ohm meter, connect one lead to the sleeve of your output jack and measure the resistance across the foil sheilding of your pickguard, the switch chassis, both pot chassis and the bridge body. If all of those measurements come up zero in the 200k range of the meter then my best guess is a noisey pot. Unfortunately this isn't something you can meter for and bypassing the guitars electronics or replacing the pots is the only way to find out.

 

[TheOceanWillJump]

Re: HELP Little 59er Tele Noise/Phase Issues

thanks alot robert. im pretty sure the problem is that i over heated the volume pot while soldering. im not too terribly proficient at it so im sure more time was speant on it than i should have. thanks much. how much do new pots run about?