Help me understand SD's Bass / Mid / Treble rating system
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che_guitarra
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Re: Help me understand SD's Bass / Mid / Treble rating system
I'm not trying to impersonate anyone's tone, but I think it's fair to say I share similarities to Jerry Cantrell or Dave Navarro - hodge podge mix of crunchy lead and rhythm playing within a wider context of rock. Articulation, dynamic range and harmonic content are my primary wants in a humbucker. Peavey 5150 or SLO 100, set to ride the natural breakup point.
I started this thread a while ago but didn't get many bites.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?318116-Pickup-suggestions-for-black-korina-superstrat
I'm not trying to impersonate anyone's tone, but I think it's fair to say I share similarities to Jerry Cantrell or Dave Navarro - hodge podge mix of crunchy lead and rhythm playing within a wider context of rock. Articulation, dynamic range and harmonic content are my primary wants in a humbucker. Peavey 5150 or SLO 100, set to ride the natural breakup point.
I started this thread a while ago but didn't get many bites.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?318116-Pickup-suggestions-for-black-korina-superstrat
EDX
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original parallel axis humbucker or blues saraceno parallel axis comes quickly to mind based on your guitar having a floyd and being black korina, both are made to translate better paf flavour into floyded guitars, the original parallel axis is medium hot output while the blues saraceno is more akin to vintage hot output
original parallel axis humbucker or blues saraceno parallel axis comes quickly to mind based on your guitar having a floyd and being black korina, both are made to translate better paf flavour into floyded guitars, the original parallel axis is medium hot output while the blues saraceno is more akin to vintage hot output
frankfalbo
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Re: Help me understand SD's Bass / Mid / Treble rating system
Point of clarification that graph is from early release docs, as it appeared in the first Premier Guitar article. It's not a chart of the output level of each type of pickup, nor is it the output of the corresponding Fluence pickups that target those voices. It's supposed to be representative of the gain contained within the voicing preamp. In other words, Fluence Strats aren't louder than Fluence Moderns. But there's more gain in the preamp because the coil structure is lower output. I'm not certain that's exactly where the gain ranges landed in the final product but does that make sense now? That the chart is only referencing the voicing preamp? Also it's an "artist's rendering" of a chart, so it's not an actual plot. It's a simplified visual.
Aceman
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That is just a $h!tty graph every which way...
check out post #2 in this thread: https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?162198-Resonant-peak&p=2100671&viewfull=1#post2100671
featuring this chart:
That is just a $h!tty graph every which way...
darthphineas
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We have all agreed on that, Bob. Whoever found it posted it about 8 years ago and nobody has come up with anything better. Still, at least it's addressing Duncan products.
We have all agreed on that, Bob. Whoever found it posted it about 8 years ago and nobody has come up with anything better. Still, at least it's addressing Duncan products.
Mr. B
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If whoever made that graph would just have used a bar graph instead, it might be decipherable. I have some I made long ago, but they are badly hand drawn, and not a digital file. It is really only after having played most of the pickups on the charts that you really know what the charts mean anyway. You get a feel for what different magnets do to the pickups, and what different EQ's sound like. The "feel" of a pickup can't really be put on a graph easily either. The best thing I ever did was dedicate a couple of guitars as "test beds" and bought every cheaply available used pickup I could get on Ebay. Some that look great on paper are my least favorites.
If whoever made that graph would just have used a bar graph instead, it might be decipherable. I have some I made long ago, but they are badly hand drawn, and not a digital file. It is really only after having played most of the pickups on the charts that you really know what the charts mean anyway. You get a feel for what different magnets do to the pickups, and what different EQ's sound like. The "feel" of a pickup can't really be put on a graph easily either. The best thing I ever did was dedicate a couple of guitars as "test beds" and bought every cheaply available used pickup I could get on Ebay. Some that look great on paper are my least favorites.
EDX
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lol, not everything that looks good on paper is fine for every application
even if the duncan BMT numbers are a bit off and are made by ear they're useful, as once you know at least a pair of duncans you can know what to expect from the BMT numbers of another model
lol, not everything that looks good on paper is fine for every application
even if the duncan BMT numbers are a bit off and are made by ear they're useful, as once you know at least a pair of duncans you can know what to expect from the BMT numbers of another model
Re: Help me understand SD's Bass / Mid / Treble rating system
I have no info how the original B, M, T bars for each pickup was made...my guess is that it wasn't nearly scientific, and that it was done by ear. Just kike the rainbow output bar that states how hot a pickup is. Add that to the fact that on some graphs, 'yellow' is longer than others, etc. It would be helpful if both B, M, T was updated with an actual chart with frequencies, but you could still have a B, M, T bar chart for those that don't need that detail. Same for the output level- some sort of actual test, rather than perceived output using a graph that isn't standard.
I have no info how the original B, M, T bars for each pickup was made...my guess is that it wasn't nearly scientific, and that it was done by ear. Just kike the rainbow output bar that states how hot a pickup is. Add that to the fact that on some graphs, 'yellow' is longer than others, etc. It would be helpful if both B, M, T was updated with an actual chart with frequencies, but you could still have a B, M, T bar chart for those that don't need that detail. Same for the output level- some sort of actual test, rather than perceived output using a graph that isn't standard.
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beaubrummels
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darthphineas
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Re: Help me understand SD's Bass / Mid / Treble rating system
What you talking 'bout, beau. Did you miss post #3? I cash u ouside!
What you talking 'bout, beau. Did you miss post #3? I cash u ouside!
beaubrummels
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Everbody know you da man mr fineous. :unitedsta
Everbody know you da man mr fineous. :unitedsta
darthphineas
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hold on, isn't it phineous?
hold on, isn't it phineous?
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