Help w/ my Fender Elite

Manfriday

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HI,

I own an 83 Fender Elite, and I have gotten a bug to start experimenting with different pickups.
Of course, I couldn't have a normal guitar to work with. I have to have some goofy guitar nobody ever thinks of when they are writing wiring diagrams for their pickups.

The guitar has the TBX and MDX controls.. but the TBX control mostly just seems like a "noise increase" control.
If I have the tbx pot at 4 or so the noise is loud, and if I have it anywhere else the noise is louder. The tbx noise control actually goes to 11.

SO.. I bought a little 59 to stick in the bridge position. I managed to stick it in there and it's actually more noisy than the single coils, something doesnt seem quite right.

Now my questions.. Im new to thise guitar electronics thing so forgive me if they are stupid.
according to schematics i found on the 'net, the volume pot on the elite is 50k audio taper.. apparently they used to 50k pot becuase of the preamp in the guitar?
Is that 50k pot going to be an issue with something like a little 59? I think I read the little 59 wants something like a 250k or a 500k pot.
Should I replace the volume pot with a 250k or is that going to wreak havok when coupled with the guitars preamp?
the output of the '59 is quite a bit more "hot" than the stock pickups. Maybe the only real fix for that will be to put some better SD single coils in there in place of the stock pickups?
Also, there is a dummy coil in the elite..I think it is supposed to somehow 'emulate" a humbucker when used with the single coils to help with noise issues..
But could the dummy coil and the "real" humbucker cause problems when they are in the same guitar? do "three" coils undo the hubuckedness of it all?

Im also game for any ideas as to how to wire the 59 into the bridge position most effectively.
All the ideas I have found on the net are somewhat complicated by the fact that I have the 3 push-button pickup selectors as opposed to the typical 5-way-switch.

sorry for the long first post.
thanks in advance for any assistance
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

My friend had one of those and it sounded pretty good although I thought the control layout was strange. I don't know if those electronic parts
(switches, pots, etc.) are still available. I think they only made the Elite a year or two, a call to fender may help.

If it were mine, I would gut it and go with a more standard 5-way and controls or a 5-way superswitch.

Welcome to the forum & good luck with that Elite.
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

Manfriday said:
that seems like a decent idea.
SHould I bypass the preamp comepltely do you think?

I don't think the pre amp would work well with regular high impedence pups.
What kind of music do you play and what kind of tone are you going after? Does your Strat have a swimming pool route? There are a lot of options for you to consider.
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

I'm not sure what a swimming pool route is, but I play kinda spacy, dark heavy music.
King's X, Failure, 90's grunge type stuff...

The strat has a kinda edgy tone, which is cool, but I wanted to add a little hairyness to it.. and hopefully cut down on the noise factor.

I was thinking about gettting a Duckbucker and JBJR to go along with the little 59.. but I am also wondering if the SVR-1 would be a good option..
I mean, it is used by ty tabor.. and this guitar used to be his, so... :D

If I seem a bit ignorant of this stuff, it's because I am.. I am actually a drummer who has taken up the guitar and songwriting. This is what happens when you give a drummer a home studio. dangerous things happen.

So, I am fine with bypassing the preamp.
I can buy a new pickguard, take the elite guts out, and put them in a box for safe keeping and pick up new tone controls and a new volume pot and 5-way switch.
So, would a 500k volume pot be more suitable if all the pickups are little humbuckers?
I have read that is the case, but the schematics on SD's site all ahve 250k pots... ?
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

Manfriday said:
I'm not sure what a swimming pool route is, but I play kinda spacy, dark heavy music.
King's X, Failure, 90's grunge type stuff...

The strat has a kinda edgy tone, which is cool, but I wanted to add a little hairyness to it.. and hopefully cut down on the noise factor.

I was thinking about gettting a Duckbucker and JBJR to go along with the little 59.. but I am also wondering if the SVR-1 would be a good option..
I mean, it is used by ty tabor.. and this guitar used to be his, so... :D

If I seem a bit ignorant of this stuff, it's because I am.. I am actually a drummer who has taken up the guitar and songwriting. This is what happens when you give a drummer a home studio. dangerous things happen.

So, I am fine with bypassing the preamp.
I can buy a new pickguard, take the elite guts out, and put them in a box for safe keeping and pick up new tone controls and a new volume pot and 5-way switch.
So, would a 500k volume pot be more suitable if all the pickups are little humbuckers?
I have read that is the case, but the schematics on SD's site all ahve 250k pots... ?

I would go for 250k. That is what those pickups are designed for.
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

Manfriday said:
I'm not sure what a swimming pool route is, but I play kinda spacy, dark heavy music.
King's X, Failure, 90's grunge type stuff...

The strat has a kinda edgy tone, which is cool, but I wanted to add a little hairyness to it.. and hopefully cut down on the noise factor.

I was thinking about gettting a Duckbucker and JBJR to go along with the little 59.. but I am also wondering if the SVR-1 would be a good option..
I mean, it is used by ty tabor.. and this guitar used to be his, so... :D

If I seem a bit ignorant of this stuff, it's because I am.. I am actually a drummer who has taken up the guitar and songwriting. This is what happens when you give a drummer a home studio. dangerous things happen.

So, I am fine with bypassing the preamp.
I can buy a new pickguard, take the elite guts out, and put them in a box for safe keeping and pick up new tone controls and a new volume pot and 5-way switch.
So, would a 500k volume pot be more suitable if all the pickups are little humbuckers?
I have read that is the case, but the schematics on SD's site all ahve 250k pots... ?

A swimming pool route means that your guitar has one big route under the pickguard instead of 3 single coils size routes and you could use whatever combo of pups you would like without routing out your body.

Most single coil and single coil sized pups use 250 K and full size HB's use 500 K. I would check out the SD site for ideas about what pups to use.
I'm hoping someone with more expertise chimes in to help.
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

A swimming pool route means that your guitar has one big route under the pickguard instead of 3 single coils size routes and you could use whatever combo of pups you would like without routing out your body.

I gotcha.. then yes, it has a swimming pool.

I would go for 250k. That is what those pickups are designed for.

Most single coil and single coil sized pups use 250 K and full size HB's use 500 K.

Gotcha. I'll go with a 250k then. thanks very much for your advice. :)
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

Manfriday said:
I play kinda spacy, dark heavy music.
King's X, Failure, 90's grunge type stuff...


Ty told me once that he had his tech remove the preamp from an Elite and build it into a rackmount device for use with his Hamers and Yamahas. Doesn't really help with your situation, but I so rarely get to name drop. :laugh2:


Have you considered investing in a new, less unqiue guitar to experiment on? I've seen two apparently-stock '83 Elites sell for upwards of $900 in the past year.
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

yeah this one actually belonged to Ty.
HE gave it to Doug.. doug gave it to a mutual friend and now I have it.
:)

I have all the stock bits in a box now. :|

hopefully I'm smart enough to figure out how to put it all back together.
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

Manfriday said:
yeah this one actually belonged to Ty.
HE gave it to Doug.. doug gave it to a mutual friend and now I have it.
:)


Yowza, I'd have shrined off that sucker straight away. :bowdown:
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

The 50K audio taper pot is the proper one to use with this particular guitar.

The noise could be caused by a loose ground (Anywhere in the guitar's circuit), shield, or wire coming from the preamp. One additional point, is that the dummy coil is inducing an opposite magentic field to reduce 60Hz and 120Hz hum. It does not add or subtract from the tone of the "NECK" or "BRIDGE" pups.

Finally, although the L'tle 59 is a great pup, it will distort like crazy on a Strat elite and sound MUDDY.


Not the best particular pup choice for a Strat Elite.


When is the last time you changed your battery?
 
Re: Help w/ my Fender Elite

Hi stratman,

thanks for your info! It is appreciated.

Finally, although the L'tle 59 is a great pup, it will distort like crazy on a Strat elite and sound MUDDY.

I am curious as to why this is? Is it due to the preamp?

When is the last time you changed your battery?
Just a few weeks ago. I check the battery frequently.. it's definately not the battery.

I have pulled all the guts out of the elite and put them in a box...
If the new Pup's dont work out for me, I will probably go thru and try re-soldering everything in the stock electronics and put it back in.

I picked up some new 250k pots, a 5-way switch and a new pickguard..
the pickguard does not fit though.. the elite PG is not the same as the standard..
So I think unless I want to wait until I can have a custom PG made, I might need to use the push-button selectors from the stock electronics.

this is a fun, if increasingly expensive project.
I am trying to take care taht I can put it back into it's "stock" state should I desire to do so in the future..
My impression was that though the elite was unique it was not particularly valuable monetarily.
and even so.. I dont have any intention of ever selling it.
Too many of my heros owned it before me. :D

I love the way it plays, but was dissatisfied with the noise level, and wanted to see if I could get a bit more 'warmth' or fuzzyness out of it.
 
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