Hey, guys who were playing in the 80's....

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This is totally from my perspective. A guy into the metal of that decade.

The 80's are really split into 3 parts. In the early 80's there was really Fender and Gibson in the guitar department, and Marshall and Fender in the amp department. There were very few mid-line, mid-priced products. There were decent Peavey and Yamaha equipment at the entry-level along with some borderline junk (IMO), Arbor, Memphis, Gorilla and such. Yamaha and Ibanez started to copy some guitars and got in legal trouble for it, but ESP took that to a new level. The early 80's is where you found the aftermarket companies such as Chandler, Charvel (early early), Mighty-Mite and others making hotrod parts for strats. This craze evolved into the superstrat craze of the early/mid to late 80's.

In the mid-80's (83'-84') we saw Jackson hit hard, really hard. The superstrat craze had begun. We also started to see an influx of the mid-priced lines with Charvel bringing in the Japanese models, and Ibanez, Yamaha, and ESP building Charvel style guitars. This is the beginning of the Japanese invasion into the economy and into guitar lines. The phenomenon promised cheaper guitars at near equal to US made quality. The mid-80's still featured Marshall and Fender amps, Marshall's were more prevalent, and Fender stuff faded a bit. The mid-80's also was the start of the modded-Marshall craze. On the low end, Crate and KMD amps were popular. Every kid had a Scholz Rockman running into some cheap 10-20 watt amp. Peavey amps seemed to outnumber every other low-end manufacturer. Lot's of guys had Peavey Bandit's.

The late 80's brought the tube scare as spoken of before in this thread. Some players were looking to simplify their gear with onboard effects, and some players went to rack setups with rack units that featured programmable effects and rackmount distortion units. Lots of tube guys went SS and those little GK amps were everywhere. I had one, and wish I never sold it. I might get one again someday. There was a slight fizzle in the superstrat craze as Jackson was sold and Kramer and ESP were in full copy mode of Jackson's designs.

Jackson's were quite a prestige guitar in the 80's. It took me a summer to save up for my San Dimas, but well worth it. I remember going to Daddy's at the time and there were the regular guitars, and always one custom Jackson on the end. One day I was able to walk out of the store with that guitar. It was a big thing for a teenager.

What I remember most from that time period is that there was expensive top-end stuff, and entry-level stuff. Much less choices in the middle.
 
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Old Vox and Marshalls did not cost much back then, neither did Hiwatt and Soundcity amps.
Any old Ibanez pedal where not expensive either, bought Tokai guitars, and ESP's, those where not expensive either, the only stuff I wanted new where Kramers....have one now;)
Used SD-9's and old Rats, plus those "metal" pedals from Ibanez into any clean amp, much like I do today!
Had a period of rack stuff as well....but I used a slave amp setup, and a Palmer speaker sim into a custom made el-84 poweramp.
That rig actually still lives:D
 
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This a cool thread, I posted earlier, and reading the replies makes me think of things I miss from the 80s;

Hamer superstrats - only current US Jacksons and Parker compare to what to those were (the Chaparrals and Californians)
The Peavey Rockmaster pre-amp - though that may have come out in the early 90s, it was direct response to 80s tastes, super cool pre-amp
IIRC, all Celestions were still made in England
IIRC, you could get a new MESA MARK IIc+ for less than a grand (though I couldn't afford one then)
US Kramer stagemasters....
Just about every guitar manufacturer had some sort of superstrat with a OFR
Everyone was trying playing bigger, better, faster, more!

...those were the days
 
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I remember living near Memphis during the end of the 80's and buying whatever I could afford on my minimum wage pay working as a Janitor. I cheaped out and bought a Series 10 guitar and a Crate 2x12 SS amp with chorus. The crate had serious reliability issues and the distortion sounded pretty rough. The guitar was tinny and didn't sound all that great. Later I sold the series 10 for a Fender HM strat with two humbuckers in it. Not a bad guitar, but I HATED the trem system on it. Sold it many years later and bought a carvin bolt kit that I still have. The fender was a decent guitar other than the kahler spyder trem that I could never seem to get the whammy bar to stay tight in and wound it until I couldn't wind it anymore. Kahler sold some ghastly aftermarket part for it to eliminate the wiggle, but I refused to buy it as it should have come stock on the guitar in the first place IMHO.

I had one store in Memphis that gave me lots of great advice and told me what was crap and what was good. One 50's era strat rolled through that some kid had spraypainted the back of it with blue krylon but was otherwise whole and stock. Store had it marked for $365 and I was too dumb to buy it because it was ugly. I loved the way it sounded and played, but couldn't stomach the ugly back. The salesman told me to buy it because it was a killer guitar and he was right. I regret that one to this day. I had the money with me too.

All I remember was superstrats and SS amps were taking off because tubes were history and SS was where it's at. I put down the guitar for a number of years because I was frustrated with my gear sounding like poo and breaking on me. Only after I bought the Carvin bolt kit and the Peavey classic 50-2x12 did I take an interest in playing again.
 
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...reading the replies makes me think of things I miss from the 80s...

Other than the ADA MP1 and cheap TS9's, I don't miss anything from the 80's! LOL...


Well... I DO miss great guitar playing being the norm and hot chicks dressed in leather at every concert!
 
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devastone;1385025 That said said:
I agree with most of what has been said by my bros here. Some of it may seem contradictory, but I don't really see it that way.

You could get a lot of the vintage stuff quite cheaply. Most of the low level stuff was real crap --- I think some of the mid level stuff was really coming into its own by the middle of the eighties however. I bought a Japanese Squier Strat that was a really nice guitar for around 300 in '86.

Much of the lower level guitars had action that was an inch off of the fretboard , at least in the early part of the decade. If you compare what you got for a low level guitar in the eighties with what you can buy for $99 today, there is no comparison. A $99 dollar Squier today is a least playable!

There were also a lot of really crappy solid state amps in the eighties too. Solid state amps sound much better today than they ever have. I have a Tech 21 Trademark Ten that is a great little amp! I think a lot of the tube amps were going through a transition too. Lets face it, there has never been a better time for new gear than right now!
 
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Well... I DO miss great guitar playing being the norm and hot chicks dressed in leather at every concert!

I miss these two every f@(^*%g day!!! Something that the 90s kids just don't get.
 
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I miss these two every f@(^*%g day!!! Something that the 90s kids just don't get.

No doubt man. Kurt Cobain and Seattle grunge certainly made it somehow cool to suck on your instrument (to the "kids" at least). While I like some of the raw aggression of grunge and post-grunge, the guitar scene has been in the dumps since the early 90's.

Luckily, when I need my fix of REAL guitar players doing their thing in the 80's, I just get on YouTube and search me up some Gary Moore, John Sykes, Allan Holdsworth, Uli Jon Roth, Yngwie, etc. ;)
 
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No doubt man. Kurt Cobain and Seattle grunge certainly made it somehow cool to suck on your instrument (to the "kids" at least). While I like some of the raw aggression of grunge and post-grunge, the guitar scene has been in the dumps since the early 90's.

Luckily, when I need my fix of REAL guitar players doing their thing in the 80's, I just get on YouTube and search me up some Gary Moore, John Sykes, Allan Holdsworth, Uli Jon Roth, Yngwie, etc. ;)

You bet, I mean you had to fight your gear back then, because what ever it was suppose to do it did but with a ton of "baggage" those guys really had to do A LOT with their fingers and pick to make it come out like it did. I love Uli but his set would be a horrible barrage of noise and fizzle-buzz if I plug into it I bet. Or Lynch on the first three Dokken albums with TS808 infront of what ever he tried to play through. And of course, I mean back than if you wanted that hotty in leather mini to be in your backseat with only those stockings and stilletos on - you've had to have had major fretboard fireworks, with grunge - who cares, those flunnel, lumberjacker x-large shirts on those chicks are so un-inspiring no wonder nobody made an effort to play.
 
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You bet, I mean you had to fight your gear back then, because what ever it was suppose to do it did but with a ton of "baggage" those guys really had to do A LOT with their fingers and pick to make it come out like it did. I love Uli but his set would be a horrible barrage of noise and fizzle-buzz if I plug into it I bet. Or Lynch on the first three Dokken albums with TS808 infront of what ever he tried to play through. And of course, I mean back than if you wanted that hotty in leather mini to be in your backseat with only those stockings and stilletos on - you've had to have had major fretboard fireworks, with grunge - who cares, those flunnel, lumberjacker x-large shirts on those chicks are so un-inspiring no wonder nobody made an effort to play.

LOL!!! Love it man!

I was listening to an interview with Dee Snider a while back and he was saying at least back in the 80's you could tell the difference between the roadies and the band. A show was a show! And it was bigger than life. Nowadays, who can tell the difference between them. They all look like they just came out of the garage. LOL
 
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I think maybe some of the stuff that was looked at as "cheap" in those days, especially the MIJ guitars (ESP made Kramers?, Squier Fenders) are regarded as quite good now.

The MIJ Focus series Kramers were made by ESP. The MIA 'American' Kramers were ESP parts assembled in the US. If you look at early ESP superstrats they are very similar in construction to late 80s MIA Kramers.
 
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The MIJ Focus series Kramers were made by ESP. The MIA 'American' Kramers were ESP parts assembled in the US. If you look at early ESP superstrats they are very similar in construction to late 80s MIA Kramers.

Even the plywood Barrettas?
 
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Vintage gear was way cheaper because noone wanted it. Now it's absurdly expensive. If I only had a brain back in those days...
 
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Even the plywood Barrettas?

You mean Strikers? There's no such thing as a plywood Baretta. Similar kinda shape, but not the same guitar. Not even close. Those were made in Korea.

The bodies of the Focus single-bucker Baretta looking models (1000's) had a slightly different curvature to them vs. the USA assembled Barettas. It wasn't until around '86 that ESP made the bodies for the USA line. They had made the necks for the USA stuff for a few years prior but the bodies were made by Sports prior to ESP making them. www.vintagekramer.com has all the scoop on the different models.

I wish I had access to the gear that is available now. Man, my Martin Stinger Strat copy, much like the Fender no-pickguard Strat, had a plywood body and cost $200 new. Amps were either really good or really bad. The middle was very empty. I never got deep in to the rack thing. I think I had one piece of rack gear, and that wasn't until the 90's that I got it. I stuck with pedals most of the time. Now I don't use any other than my wah and sometimes my Phase 90. The quality of the lower budget stuff is so much better today.
 
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Without a doubt, the quality standards were forced to improve as more and more people got on the internet in the past 10 years. Back then, you only had advertisements and word of mouth to go by.

A beginner guitar back then was a horrible Hondo or Memphis. Today, $200 will buy you something that really isn't too bad. Nowadays, Japan, Korea and Mexico aren't bad words, like they were back then......which translated into 'junky import.'

Back then, expensive meant $1000-$1500, compared to now.....when highend gear prices have gotten ridiculous....amps and guitars that cost as much as used cars???? Come'on!!! And it's not just inflation. Companies now think they have a license to price gouge, just because collectibility has become commonplace.

Probably the biggest advancement is Solid State technology. Digital/SS is what they were always striving for, and it hadn't sounded very good until Line 6 introduced the Flextone. Digital technology and tubes are the only 2 things that got cheaper since then. Nowadays, our worst digital sounds about the same as the best digital from the mid 80's, like Lexicon and Roland.
And after the cold war ended, the military surplus and new factories opened up to us, making tubes cheaper than the 80's......or at least the same price.
 
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I have a few questions that this thread has brought to mind-
Back in the late 80's EVERYONE was installing a Kayler or Floyd Rose's on there guitars- Les Paul's strats, whatever- Where are all those guitars today? I never see them anymore- and Dimarzio Super Distortion pickups were the rage- where are all those today? Makes you wonder.

As a side note- I was one of the first people to have a flanger in this area- it was an Electric Mistriss by EH, and cost over 100 bucks then-
I could finally get that Pat Travers sound, by putting a distortion pedal in front of it.
 
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There were a number of good guitars made during the 80's like Kramer's and Charvel's, but ergonomics took a big leap forward with the Ibanez and Yamaha guitars of the late 80's. Also they were reasonably priced which meant the other brands had to play catch up. Although the Yamaha's and Ibanez's didn't hold up that well.
 
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I put a floyd on my Washburn V, which came with DiMarzio SD's, and I still have one in the neck pos. I had a Peavey bandit for my first amp in '81 or so, traded that in on my Heritage, used that with Ibanez distortion and eq pedals until '87 when I bought the VTM 120. The only other pedal I had was a Digitec sampler, which I still have. Oh, and an original hot tubes. I don't get rid of anything, I have every piece of gear I ever bought except for the Bandit. Great sounding amp, I just thought 2 12's and twice the power would be twice as cool. The 70's and 80's were both really great decades for guitar, I think, a lot of talent and inovation came out of that 20 years. The 90's was just bad, I can count on one hand the guys in the 90's who I like, Dimebag, Jerry Cantrel, Petrucci, a few others.
 
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Even the plywood Barrettas?

Yours would be a striker series. I had a grey striker series 100st, which was basically a baretta with a ply body.

Focus series: MIJ by ESP
'American' series: Assembled in the US out of ESP parts
Striker series: MIK
 
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