High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

[ozzynotwood]

Hey All

Are there any EQ's / Low Pass Filter's around that will let me cut all my distorted guitar frequencies above 6k? The GE-7 only goes up to 6.4k and will only kill the surrounding frequencies based on its own bandwith. I want all those fuzzy 'noise' freqeuncies to be cut just like I do when recording in Sonar 4. When I kill the fuzz between 6k and 20k, i'm left with awesome tone and no fuzzyness.

Also, would one of those rack mount 31band EQ's work with guitar for the sound I'm looking for?

 

[Danglin' Fury]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

Dude get a Behringer Feedback Destroyer Pro/Parametric EQ. It has 10 patches with 12 filters each and each filter can boost or cut the full audio spectrum from 20 Hz to 20 kHz. Boost to +16 and cut to - 48!!! And, the best part is, it's only about $120.00 new! Put it in the effects loop and you can't go wrong. You will not be disappointed.:dance: :bowdown:

 

[frankfalbo]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

No EQ "cut" is the same as the hard chop you get from a hi-cut filter. So the bands of an EQ turned all the way down are just going to give you 12-15db of cut, but the sound will still exist. The hi-cut filter eliminates them. A lot of speaker simulators employ a hi-cut.

The -48db of that Behringer certainly is enough to be used as a hi-cut. So that definitely sounds like the way to go. You can't get that kind of frequency elimination from a regular 31 band EQ. And you'll enjoy using the other available bands of parametric EQ for subtle shaping, probably more than a graphic.

You might try two overlapping hi-cuts, one around 6k with a 10-15db cut, and then another at 7.5k with the full 48db cut. Then you'll have a "step down" that won't reduce chord articulation. I love playing with band pass filters. I blend a lot of sounds where a small band of midrange frequencies is an 80's crunch sound, and all the highs and lows are more tweedy. Or I'll do a Marshall sound from 1khz up and a Boogie sound from 3khz down and let them overlap like that. Man that's fun.

 

[Danglin' Fury]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

No EQ "cut" is the same as the hard chop you get from a hi-cut filter. So the bands of an EQ turned all the way down are just going to give you 12-15db of cut, but the sound will still exist. The hi-cut filter eliminates them. A lot of speaker simulators employ a hi-cut.

The -48db of that Behringer certainly is enough to be used as a hi-cut. So that definitely sounds like the way to go. You can't get that kind of frequency elimination from a regular 31 band EQ. And you'll enjoy using the other available bands of parametric EQ for subtle shaping, probably more than a graphic.

You might try two overlapping hi-cuts, one around 6k with a 10-15db cut, and then another at 7.5k with the full 48db cut. Then you'll have a "step down" that won't reduce chord articulation. I love playing with band pass filters. I blend a lot of sounds where a small band of midrange frequencies is an 80's crunch sound, and all the highs and lows are more tweedy. Or I'll do a Marshall sound from 1khz up and a Boogie sound from 3khz down and let them overlap like that. Man that's fun.

You're gosh darn right that's fun! With that Behringer you can also adjust the bandwidth of each frequency so you have super variety in tone!:banana: Plus with all those variations, its like having multiple pre-amps to dominate the tonal universe HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[joelap]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

That Behringer sounds like the answer to "I want to create my own sound...what do I do?"

How's the learning curve on it? I'm thinking about giving one a whirl, but I suck at getting adequate settings for digital effects... is it n00b-friendly?

 

[Danglin' Fury]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

It is super easy to use. Just set it to parametric mode, press the filter button once, press the frequency button, turn the jog dial to the desired frequency, press the gain button, use the dial to adjust cut or boost, hit the bandwidth button larger bw = thicker sound for that freq., hit filter button again and jog dial to the right and you are at filter 2. You can do this 12 times for each of the 10 patches. After you adjust stuff, press store, move the dial to the pre-set number you want and press store again. Awesome tonal variety! And it's cheap and easy to use.:dance:
I put it in the effects loop on my JSX head and that seems to get the most out of it. The other thing that is cool about it is when you are using a patch and you turn your amp up loud if you get any feedback, set it to one shot mode and it will find the frequencies producing the feedback and automatically attenuate them.

 

[joelap]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

^ does it have a tendancy to kill sustain like a Boss NS-2 often does?

 

[Danglin' Fury]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

I dont think it does. I use my Dean ML Undertaker w/ an Invader and my LTD F-100 FM w/ an EMG 81-85 set and pipe it through a JSX head and I get sustain for days.:bowdown:
P.S. put it in the effects loop.:laugh2:
I also use an old Ibanez chorus soundtank as a doubler. Turn the two knobs on the left counterclockwise and use the one on the right as the sweep. Or I guess it's the delay time between the two signals. Anyway, it sounds killer! Super heavy from thrash to death and the crunch channel does classic rock very well too!

 

[ozzynotwood]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

Hey, i just checked out those feedback destroyers on the Behringer site. I'm trying to stay away from digital stuff, is there any non digital high cut filters around?

 

[drew_half_empty]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

if you do it recording then that's digital, correct?

 

[ozzynotwood]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

Yeah, but i want something for my guitar amp, not my recording setup.

 

[Danglin' Fury]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

Man it sounds bada$$ live. I use it ALL the time. And I'm telling you, it'll be the BEST eq you've ever tried. Get it, if you don't like it, take it back. I guarantee, if you try it, you won't want to take it back.:bowdown: :banana:
Just use it in the effects loop and you will not be disappointed. Trust me, it is perfect for use on your amp. It doesn't make your tone sound "digital" or anything like that.

 

[Grandor]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

I have mates that have tried behringer parametric EQ's, they swear that if they ever see one again that they'll cry.
bad bad eq's..

 

[JLagoon]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

Remember that an equalizer is one of the most easiest tool that one can misuse, especially parametric equalizer. Also, if you don't know how to use an equalizer for whatever application you need, then it is very easy to say that this equalizer does not help at all. Or, this equalizer is very noisy.

I have a few Behringer products and one of them is an analog parametric EQ. That EQ is superb in both functionality and design. Just because its brand is Behringer, it doesn't mean that it is crap. Behringer is actually a good company.

I would have faith in Behringer eq products whether it's digital or analog. You should try the recommended digital parametric eq. If you want the easy way, then the 31 band graphic eq might be your choice. I would go with a parametric eq.

 

[Danglin' Fury]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

I LOVES ME PARAMETRIC!!!!!!!!!:banana: :smokin:

 

[fatigueofheart]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

bump.....wanna hear morwe about this....

 

[Danglin' Fury]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

Well let's see. I have my 10 patches set up for different git-fiddles and some of the tones are : Lamb of God, Fear Factory, Crowbar, and you can use any of the audio spectrum from 20Hz to 20 kHz boost to +16 cut to -48. So if you wanted some REALLY scooped mids, set it to 500 Hz, cut the signal to about -20 and there they go, bye-bye. You can shape your sound to almost ANY tone you want. They are pretty cheap and if you dont like it, most places give you at least a week to try it out. I would say besides my JSX all tube head, it is the best investment I have in my quest for the Holy Grail metal tone. Oh yeah, contrary to popular belief, the JSX has a searing metal tone and Ball Smashing Crunch with sustain for days. :bowdown: :bowdown: :smokin:

 

[Jeff Dunne]

Re: High cut filtering for distorted guitar.

I wouldn't cut off quite that high... Maybe an LPF at like 13Khz or so... but 6??