Hotter wound 59' model?

[motorhead]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

I disagree, I used a couple C5's and to me they were exactly as advertised. A hotter, slightly thicker 59.

Here's a sound sample of my C5 in a Les Paul DC, 59ish ?

http://home.comcast.net/~tattooedcarrot/C5.wav

The C5 is great lead PU (as your clip demonstrates) and a great hot-clean PU but it gets muddy real fast with a lot of gain. The C5 would 'probably' ground to halt through a Mesa Recto at full tilt.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

Lots of gain is always muddy...all that compression.

 

[KLINKDETROIT]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

Any heavy chunk mp3s with a C5?

 

[motorhead]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

Lots of gain is always muddy...all that compression.

Ugly muddy.

 

[59paul]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

Anyone ever heard an original 1959 PAF ???? I hear 2 of em every day. Yes, the JB sounds like a hotter 59 ( Original 59, that is ). Of course , the JB has more output, and of course, Original 1959 PAF's vary in their dynamics and Tonal characteristics. Some were overwound, and some had unbalanced windings ( hence, the Pearly Gates ). The JB sounds a whole bunch like one of the old overwound 59 PAF's. Balanced, Harmonics just jumpin out of the thing.

 

[dr.barlo]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

Anyone ever heard an original 1959 PAF ???? I hear 2 of em every day. Yes, the JB sounds like a hotter 59 ( Original 59, that is ). Of course , the JB has more output, and of course, Original 1959 PAF's vary in their dynamics and Tonal characteristics. Some were overwound, and some had unbalanced windings ( hence, the Pearly Gates ). The JB sounds a whole bunch like one of the old overwound 59 PAF's. Balanced, Harmonics just jumpin out of the thing.

You are one lucky man! Gotta admire that!

B

 

[59paul]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

Thanks, Doc. It's part Luck, for sure, but also part Hard Work. LOL The Original PAF's in my 59 are not overly " Hot ". I've heard some that were obviously overwound, and they sound an awful lot like a JB, at least to my ears. Mine are more on the sweet side, a nice compliment to a Plexi, JTM 45, JCM 800 ( which I've used since 1982 ), etc... I've not had the pleasure of hearing the C-5, but hope to do so soon. ( Just to clarify, I don't have 2 59 LP's. I have 2 original 59 PAF's in my Original 1959 LP...neck and Bridge LOL. As I'm sure you know, Doc, Gibson didn't specify neck or Bridge back then. )

 

[Faraday]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

To my ears, the C5 is exactly that: a hotter version of the '59. Just because two pickups have a similar EQ doesn't mean they will sound the same. Take a look at the Alnico II Pro and the '59. Both have a similar EQ, but they sound completely different. If you want something that sounds like a hotter '59, you want a C5.

Ryan

Then would a CC be similar to a hotter A2P? and/or Would a 59withA2 sound like A2P?

 

[Aceman]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

I'm surprised that the PG didn't get to this list. I'm pretty sure Rev. BG must of had one of those "overwounds"

And if all you want is a louder pup, toss a pedal (comp, eq, od set for no gain, or a seymour pup booster!) in between. Tweek the amp volume (or gain).

And that pup eq this really is going to be differnt on almost every one. And custom custom is an extremely different curve - humped, not scooped. Way wrong direction. Can't say about Custom and C5...

 

[korovamilkdud]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

You should try out a Custom/59 hybrid or a Custom/PG. I have the latter, it measures 10.45k (underwound Custom). That's hotter than a 59, and not up in "hot" territory either.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

Nice to see you around 59 Paul! My faves are Seths, C-5, CC, 59, and JB. In my opinion, the C-5 would have sold more if it were called the 59 Hot....at least that's what I would have chosen to call it. It's probably a good idea that it was called the Custom 5, since it may have overshadowed the 59 being called the 59 Hot or 59 Plus.
That's the reason I even use the Custom 5 nickel in some Les Pauls and McCarties.....since I like the tone of the 59, but wanted it beefier sounding. The CC reminds me of a Hot Seth Lover bridge.

 

[Breogan]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

I don't think the Jb has the same tone of the 59. The JB has a narrower frecuency range qhich it's great when you play in a band since it cuts throught the mix very efficiently...

 

[fab.regnaut]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

A c5 has way to much bass and not enough mids to be compared to a '59.

The C5 have more mids than the 59 it is clear on EQ from the GuitarElectronics site , and there is not to much bottom end ( in a even sounding guitar ) because the lows stay so tight and percussive .
In a even sounding guitar like my basswood ibanez with mapple top 25.5 scale the C5 is perfection , for a perfect guitar .

 

[MattPete]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

I'm suprised no one mentioned the Blues Saraceno Trembucker.

 

[gripweed]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

get yourself a hot, ~8.70K ant bridge HB, and replace the magnet with an a5! It would be better than a hot 59, with more 3d clarity.

B

What a great idea! I've been thinking about a slightly hotter '59 for my Les Paul but thought about the custom shop. The C5 would probably too hot for my tastes and probably the Screamin Demon too. I assume you have an a5 antiquity?

 

[dr.barlo]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

What a great idea! I've been thinking about a slightly hotter '59 for my Les Paul but thought about the custom shop. The C5 would probably too hot for my tastes and probably the Screamin Demon too. I assume you have an a5 antiquity?

Used to have 2. Now only one. The other one has an a4 magnet.

B

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

Take a look at the Alnico II Pro and the '59. Both have a similar EQ, but they sound completely different.
Ryan

If you mean on the Duncan Tone Chart, you're right. But they really do sound completely different (right again!) -- 59 has a mid-scoop while the Alnico 2 Pro is pleasingly plump, especially the neck model (although since the bridge version is only 7.85k, it would work as a neck model too...)

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

The S Deco 11.5k A5 is a hotter 59'. I'm ordering one for my Les Paul.

 

[motorhead]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

The C5 have more mids than the 59 it is clear on EQ from the GuitarElectronics site , and there is not to much bottom end ( in a even sounding guitar ) because the lows stay so tight and percussive .
In a even sounding guitar like my basswood ibanez with mapple top 25.5 scale the C5 is perfection , for a perfect guitar .

Mids are relative to the level of bass and treble. A Hotter '59 would have the bass/mids/treble at either:

7/4/9 or even 8/5/9

I've always said a C5 should not be in a 25 1/2" scale guitar unless you're willing to drop the height and loose a lot of that tightness.

 

[fab.regnaut]

Re: Hotter wound 59' model?

Mids are relative to the level of bass and treble. A Hotter '59 would have the bass/mids/treble at either:

7/4/9 or even 8/5/9

I've always said a C5 should not be in a 25 1/2" scale guitar unless you're willing to drop the height and loose a lot of that tightness.

I precise : 25.5" scale AND tuned in drop D and still tight and percussive and huge !