How can people be so naive and stupid?

[Closed Eye]

Re: How can people be so naive and stupid?

easy, only play with guys who suck more than you :laugh2:

:laugh2: great stuff! Excellent post man, really, just excellent advice.

So, I told him once that he's gotta learn more about music, and he said, "no, I'm make up my own thing," I was like, "well, before you make up your own thing, you gotta learn the real stuff," and he cited some John Cage guy who got on stage and did nothing for 3 minutes, he said, "If that counts as music, then I can make up my own stuff,"

A lot of the stuff John Cage did was pretty cool, but I'd hardly call it "music". You sould so some research on this 3 minute non-music music piece of getting up on stage and "did nothing for 3 minutes". There may be a deeper, more significant historical context to his work, rather than just "doing nothing" and calling it music.
His stuff is probably closer to an "experiement in sound" or "art for art's sake" rather than straight-ahead music with intent and a message...lots of atonal "music" or "minmalist" composers are that way really, and I've yet to find somebody who listens to that stuff exclusively or with utmost seriousness. A lot of it seems soul-less too, which is my main problem with it.
The other thing about these more eclectic guys (I don't really know what to "call them") is that they've had serious music training. They know their sh*t back and forth like nobody's business, and it's this that enables them to do things like standing up on stage for 3 minutes doing nothing and calling it music. The period in which this kind of stuff also came out is important to, since around that time (dates, exactly, I can't remember) but there was a huge backlash against classical music, big band orchestra and swing, and just music with melody, structure, or convention in general.


Oh yeah Indie P Bass: The other guy I mentioned...Steven (Steve) Reich is really cool though, and I'd consider downloading the piece "8 Lines". It's extremely hypnotic, and very out of the ordinary.

 

[drew_half_empty]

Re: How can people be so naive and stupid?

yeah, my band has similar problems

rythm guitarsit - hm, he has a les paul, but its scratched to ****, duct tape residue all over it, never cleans it, restrings it when it breaks, and leaves it at the drummers house where we practice all the time, never takes it home, or even polishes it or wipes off the strings. He's also playing thru the drummers amp, avt150 with a 1960 cab, he can't seem to grasp how the controlls work, and he's missing the trebble side of his brain. he also interrupts people, smells, and always tells me to move around more live, when I'm the one playing behind my head & jumping & all that ****, as much as i possibly can, while he sits there & just kinda sways back & forth. That annoys the crap outta me

lead guitarist, hm, well, he's annoyingly pessimistic, when i joined the band he was trying to play distorted leads with a fender mustang...thru a stage 100...with the first input broken. So basically he was playing a single coil pickup config thru the input for active humbuckers, with lots of distortion. It was ear wrenching & thin as hell. Now he uses my guitar, its better, but he needs a new amp, and despite him being rich & his parents buying him what he wants, and me being lower middle class & working for all my ****, he's waiting for ME to get a new amp so he can use it instead

 

[3 cent hero]

Re: How can people be so naive and stupid?

He has no clue what a scale or mode is, he doesn't know keys, the only thing he knows it time signitures and he's obsessed with time changes.

i don't know any theory and what not. i only know how to play. i can't even read music... anymore. used to when i was in the school band :wall: lol

 

[Ken]

Re: How can people be so naive and stupid?

...**** it, I'm going to go practice now.


Seriously dude, a guy like that isn't worth a hair on your ass. Let him go.

 

[Indie P Bass]

Re: How can people be so naive and stupid?

Well, I gave him the gutiar, he was very gratefull, he thought it was funny how I cleaned the fretboard, body, pickups and trimmed his string ends. He also commented on, "this feels better, now, not what I'm used to, but I like it," one thing he complained about, though, was the pickup selector switch, I put it in sideways just for S's&G's, he thought it was annoying. I actually don't mind working on guitars, I actually LOVE working on guitars, I wish that I had like... a fleet of squier strats that I could just tinker with.

Amps, too, nothing makes me feel better than rippin gopen an amp chassis and solving my problem. Speaking of which, I just did that with my Kustom III. It was built in the 70's, but it looked like it was built in the 90's, real solid too. I think that for the money, that was the best bass amp anyone could get ($120)

 

[rinse_master]

Re: How can people be so naive and stupid?

I'm glad he appreciated what you did for him, even though you like working on guitars it was a small mission by the sounds of things, hopefully he'll enjoy it so much he might learn to do it himself?