HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

So even if I drop the middle down (to get it out of the way of my pick), STILL you're thinking a 4 for better splits? The 7 dropped down still won't be clear enough for good splits you think?
It is a matter of how much glass/chime you want. When you split the S4s, you'll get more or less the same tone but slightly louder and with more chime (though you'll get diminishing returns when it comes to chime with the S4B and even hotter S7). I have a feeling all bets are off with the Furys when it comes to splitting.

With the Area 58, the chime is already there without splitting (YMMV); with the Area 67 it is definitely there.

Fury over S7s for the neck anyway.
I'd do that just because you like your neck to be considerably weaker than the bridge (clean) and that gives you the right amount of saturation when dirty. However the Fury sounds nothing like a Texas Special; they are thin.

I thought the 4s were "traditional" strat output? Are they hotter than that?
IMO the S4s are voiced more like a Texas Special than anything else in Duncan's noiseless line but with a slightly higher output. They are (more or less) bell/piano-like, but don't have the top end chime of the Texas Special unless you split them (the neck and middle models more so than the bridge model); which, again, makes them even louder, if only slightly. Not a bad thing in my book (but I am not you); still I wouldn't be too concerned.

Still, I'd say that out of all the noiseless singles by either Duncan or DiMarzio I believe the Area 58 is closest to the Texas Special.

However...

If you want some bite like the JB and the ability to blend well tonally I'm still partial to the Area 61 (at least for something on the weaker end of the spectrum) over the S4s and Area 58. Because you appear to be gravitating in that direction I think you'd like an Area 61 in the middle and a Fury in the neck, but then I'd also throw the Area 67 back on the table. That said, I doubt you'll get the kind of treble bleed performance with any of the Duncans or other Areas that you will get with the Area 61. EDIT!!!: Then again, if the dropped Area 61 and Fury are similarly voiced and are balanced with the Fury raised, I don't see how a treble bleed wouldn't work, unless the Fury is still too weak.

The question now might be whether you're still going for the Richie Sambora thing with the singles.

Anyway, I'd listen to as many well recorded demos as possible and contact Duncan and DiMarzio support. I'd also have a look at other noiseless options (I think the Lace Sensor Emerald is well suited to the task, but they have to be raised high to work correctly; and check my signature ;)).
 
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It is a matter of how much glass/chime you want. When you split the S4s, you'll get more or less the same tone but slightly louder and with more chime (though you'll get diminishing returns when it comes to chime with the S4B and even hotter S7). I have a feeling all bets are off with the Furys when it comes to splitting.


The question now might be whether you're still going for the Richie Sambora thing with the singles.

Anyway, I'd listen to as many well recorded demos as possible and contact Duncan and DiMarzio support. I'd also have a look at other noiseless options (I think the Lace Sensor Emerald is well suited to the task, but they have to be raised high to work correctly; and check my signature ;)).

Few points:

To be clear, when I mentioned "splits" before, I was talking about positions 2 & 4... not coil-splitting. I've seen preloaded pickguards with JB/S4/S7... presumably the S7n to compete with the JB, and the S4m so the 2 & 4 positions retain the strat quack.

Yes, definitely still going for the Sambora thing. I have decided to START with JB/TS/TS. After I get to know that combo, then I'll go for some noiseless and see how they compare.

As for demos, I'm 100% smitten with the S7 neck demo on Duncan's site. That demo is actually VERY close to how my tele TS neck sounds, and I absolutely love it. I think I'm probably going to start with the S4m/S7n combo, but then try others, depending on how the 4/7 combo matches the JB (for example, if the 7n is too warm, I'll try a 4n), and how good the 2 & 4 positions are. Heck, I may not even like the JB in the bridge, and end up with a PAF Pro or AT-1, which would then affect the middle and neck choices. In the end, it's all going to built from the bridge pickup. But I have high expectations of keeping the JB; I already know I love it, it'll be good with 250K pots, and it's famous (maybe even the most popular, if all my internet reading counts for anything) bridge pickup in an HSS for many years... for a reason.
 
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You will want to split the JB for quack. You might as well split the S4M too since it will improve the quack and provide hum-cancellation. Likewise, you will get best quack in position 4 by splitting the S4M and S7. That is precisely why they created the S4M and made it RW/RP relative to the other stacks.

Just one caveat: if you think the STK-S10N pairs well with the JB you are in for a surprise.

FWIW, I would likely choose the S7 if I wanted a Duncan stack in the neck to better compliment a JB or similar output humbucker. I may even choose an S6, depending on what I needed out of that spot. I ran a JB with an SSL-6T in the neck for over 20 years. The tap was primarily for cleans and quack in position 4. I liked both the tap and full wind for cleans in position 5.

To be honest, the more I listen to Andy Timmons, the more I like the weaker single-sized neck pickups for leads. The treble bleed with an OD for chimey clean-up is also a thing of beauty. If you use a treble bleed with an S7, please let me know how it works out.
 
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Just one caveat: if you think the STK-S10N pairs well with the JB you are in for a surprise.

??? It paired quite well in my Charvel 3DR (only 2 pickups: bridge and neck)


To be honest, the more I listen to AT, the more I like the weaker single-sized neck pickups for leads. The treble bleed with an OD for chimey clean-up is also a thing of beauty. If you use a treble bleed with an S7, please let me know how it works out.

Agreed, and I will definitely be using a treble bleed. No OD for that particular tone tho. I use my amp for the primary dirt, because if I ever want DEAD clean I have a clean channel for that. So for Andy's "neck pickup rolled off Blues Driver" thing, I just need my amp and the treble bleed.
 
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It paired quite well in my Charvel 3DR (only 2 pickups: bridge and neck)
Indeed. The S7 is a markedly hotter pickup with an emphasis on a different range of frequencies.
 
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Indeed. The S7 is a markedly hotter pickup with an emphasis on a different range of frequencies.

Sounded good. Charvel w/Floyd, my old hard rock/hair metal guitar. JB for 90% of the stuff I play on it, the Fury for getting my Ynqwie on lol.

Only reason I pulled the Fury was, the guitar had been routed for a neck HB. I never found a neck HB I liked, so I installed a Fury. Loved the tone, hated the HB/SC adaptor ring. Ugly. So I replaced it with a HFH (it's ok), and a Jazz is probably my next stop. If there was a HB that sounded like that Fury, I'd buy it.
 
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Full Shred Neck.

Jazz is a horrible pickup to get your Yngwie on, IMO.
 
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Full Shred Neck.

Jazz is a horrible pickup to get your Yngwie on, IMO.

Not too boomy? Because that's always the issue with neck humbuckers, especially when piling on gain. Actually, the HFH isn't bad, but it quacks a little TOO much, it seems a little thin to me.
 
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Full Shred Neck boomy? I don't see how that could be possible. :)

You'll probably find it thin for a humbucker, too, assuming you mean in the low end. The Jazz isn't thin in the low end, but it doesn't have any meaningful push in the upper mids, which, for me, is critical.

I would think you'd do better with a Pearly Gates if you wanted something not so tight in the bottom end. I like the '59N as well, but yeah, if nothing is being done to address the bass* prior to applying gain it can be a problem.

(*) changed from "if you aren't doing anything to address the bass". Some amps/pedals already address this by design, so further steps may not be required should there otherwise be an issue with excessive bass.
 
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Full Shred Neck boomy? I don't see how that could be possible. :)

You'll probably find it thin for a humbucker, too, assuming you mean in the low end. The Jazz isn't thin in the low end, but it doesn't have any meaningful push in the upper mids, which, for me, is critical.

I would think you'd do better with a Pearly Gates if you wanted something not so tight in the bottom end. I like the '59N as well, but yeah, if you aren't doing anything to address the bass prior to applying gain it can be a problem.

ok well, you've talked me off the Jazz. YEs, TIGHT low end- like a single coil/Fury- is what I hope for. And agreed on the high mids thing- especially for YJM.

So Full Shred or PG huh? I'll look into them...

[updated]: ok, Full Shred it is! I never thought to look at them, because I wasn't a fan of the FS bridge at all... I got the FS just before I got the JB (fell in love with the JB)
 
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I think there is only one other guy here besides me who is outspoken against the Jazz for high gain single note lead work, so take it with a grain of salt.

If only there was a recording to convince me otherwise, I'd temper my position.

And to be fair, I think the Jazz is a beautiful pickup for just about everything else.
 
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I think there is only one other guy here besides me who is outspoken against the Jazz for high gain single note lead work, so take it with a grain of salt.

If only there was a recording to convince me otherwise, I'd temper my position.

And to be fair, I think the Jazz is a beautiful pickup for just about everything else.

Actually, I don't like the Jazz for actual jazz! I like the Seth Lover a lot better.
 
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Who knows... after all this, I may end up sticking with Texas Specials LOL.

Going to order the JB and 2 Texas Specials today. That'll be my starting point. Then probably STKs to start the noiseless "journey."
 
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Keep in mind that the JB and the TS are out pf phase, so you will have to flip the hot and ground on one or the other.
 
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Keep in mind that the JB and the TS are out pf phase, so you will have to flip the hot and ground on one or the other.

Yeah I know, but thanks for the reminder.... I had to do that with the neck TS in my tele, mated to a Muy Grande in the bridge. It would be just like me to be so anxious to get them in that I forget, and find out after it's all strung up LOL
 
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Oh, another neck pickup worth considering is the Bluesbucker with series/parallel switching. It has more of a single coil character than the SH-10N. However, it could be a situation where you compromise one great tone for the versatility of having two useable sounds. I'd ask DiMarzio support about how the parallel mode with the screw coil closest to the neck compares to an HS-4.
 
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I just wanted to verify, when mating the JB with a pair of Texas Specials, I can wire the TS as normal, then just flip the hot & ground on the JB, and everything will be in phase, correct? (rather than dealing with flipping 2 pickups, I'll just flip the JB)

Also, while I'm asking, how does this phasing issue (with the JB) correlate to:

STKs
Fralin Blues Specials
 
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With the JB and the TS, flip the JB's hot & ground. With the JB and the STKs, no need to do anything but wire normally.
 
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Thanks, just corrected my post above, it had "Fralin" where "JB" should have been, but I think you sussed that out :beerchug:
 
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