HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

gregory said:
Assuming you still wish to split the JB with new Duncan singles and have hum-cancellation:

Slug coils pair with standard singles. Screw coils pair with rwrp. If you want to do the opposite you will have to flip the magnet in the humbucker and reverse the wires of both singles or reverse the wires of the humbucker. If you reverse the wires of the humbucker you'll also have to make the necessary alterations to use the coil you want. You'll likely also have to revisit the no output issue.
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Wait, since STKs are humbuckers, does any of that matter? RWRP (for hum cancelling) shouldn't be an issue, should it? Only phase? And I assuming (perhaps wrongly) that all SDs would be in-phase with each other?
 
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Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

That's in case you wish to split them in order to retain hum cancellation in position 2 and maximum brightness in positions 2 and 4. The STK-S4M is RWRP (and the only stack that is RWRP) with respect to the JB slug coil. The STK-S4M was created for the very purpose of achieving maximum brightness in positions 2 and 4 when used with the S6, S7, S4B and S4N.

They are all designed to be in phase out of the box.

EDITED to reflect the information in the following thread:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...single-coils-on-together-still-not-humbucking
 
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Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

gregory said:
That's in case you wish to split them in order to retain hum cancellation in position 2 and maximum brightness in positions 2 and 4. The STK-S4M is RWRP (and the only stack that is RWRP) for the very purpose of achieving maximum brightness in positions 2 and 4 when used with the S6, S7, S4B and S4N.

They are all designed to be in phase out of the box.
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so... if I went with an STK7 in the neck, and that STK4m in the middle.... would I be good to go without having to mess with JBs magnets and wire swaps? Meaning, using the STK4m in autosplit for 2 & 4 ?
 
Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

So long as you split the JB to the slug coil by connecting the red/white pair to the green wire. You can then combine it with a split S4M for hum-cancellation and maximum brightness for better quack. If you want auto-split you will need a 5-Way Super Switch since one split needs to go to hot while the other needs to go to ground.

EDITED to reflect the information in the following thread:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...single-coils-on-together-still-not-humbucking
 
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Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

gregory said:
So long as you split the JB to the screw coil by connecting the red/white pair to the black wire. You can then combine it with a split S4M for hum-cancellation and maximum brightness for better quack. If you want auto-split you will need a 5-Way Super Switch since one split needs to go to hot while the other needs to go to ground.
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Oh, I think I'm misunderstanding. I thought we were talking auto-split the whole time. You're saying to permanently split the 4m?

What would happen if I just stuck a 4m in there, not split, no auto-split. It would just be 2 humbuckers in parallel in 2 & 4? I realize it might not be as stratty, but would that work alright? Without the need for shenanigans LOL?
 
Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

The suggestion was to split S4M with the split JB in position 2 and both the S4M and S7 in position 4, though the latter isn't necessary for hum-cancellation, just that it improves the quack in that position.

Switching the JB beteen series and parallel and not splitting anything will also work in order to drop the output to the level of the singles. Then there's no need to split anything, though auto-split in position 4 is easily managed with a standard switch.
 
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Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

ruger9 said:
But, as I said- I ran a Fury neck with a JB, and they balanced fine; there was no output imbalance.
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Agree, I was using that combo in my MIM strat for a couple of years, volume wise they balance well. In my opinion the STK-S6 in the neck sounds a bit more like a true single coil than what the fury neck does and it has enough output for a HB like the JB, it was there before I put the Fury neck but it is back now. I think you should try the STK-S6, people will say it does not sound like a true single coil but for me it does the job and I am happy with my live tone.
 
Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

ruger9 said:
so... if I went with an STK7 in the neck, and that STK4m in the middle.... would I be good to go without having to mess with JBs magnets and wire swaps? Meaning, using the STK4m in autosplit for 2 & 4 ?
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Personally I use an SSL-1 in the middle, then using the autsplit diagrams from SD you get noise cancellation from position 2 and 4 along with (imho) a bit better quack out of the stacked single coil in neck. No need to look for a hard to find (at least to me) rwrp pickup or a fancy super 5 way switch.
 
Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

IMENATOR said:
ruger9 said:
But, as I said- I ran a Fury neck with a JB, and they balanced fine; there was no output imbalance.
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Agree, I was using that combo in my MIM strat for a couple of years, volume wise they balance well. In my opinion the STK-S6 in the neck sounds a bit more like a true single coil than what the fury neck does and it has enough output for a HB like the JB, it was there before I put the Fury neck but it is back now.
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It sounds like you might be implying the Fury neck has the same output as the STK-S6.

Anecdotes about the Furys put them all over the map in terms of output.
 
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Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

gregory said:
It sounds like you might be implying the Fury neck has the same output as the STK-S6.
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What I am saying is it worked for me in my strat, don't forget you can always adjust the pickup height to compensate a bit volume differences, if any.

Edit: Both the Fury neck and STK-S6 worked for my in my strat when I was using the JB bridge. Different flavors? yes maybe but both nice flavors.
 
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Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

IMENATOR said:
you can always adjust the pickup height to compensate a bit volume differences, if any.
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To a point and then tone can suffer.

Anyway, there's no need for you and I to rehash our philosophies as to what constitutes balance between a bridge and neck pickup.

I thought the OP shares the same philosophy as you, but if he finds the Texas Special too weak for a JB then I may be mistaken.

...that or the STK-S10N is a hot pickup, which I find a bit hard to believe.
 
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Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

gregory said:
You won't get hum cancellation in position 4 when both pickups are standard polarity.
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Well, now we agree. STK-S10n and STK-S6 have opposite polarity and winding as opposed to a regular SSL-1, so when split they do hum cancellation at position 4.
 
Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

This is news to me.

That must mean the STK-S10N is north just like an SSL-1 RWRP.
 
Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

The Texas Special neck seems to be balancing fine with the JB.

When I had a Fury neck and a JB, in my old Charvel/Jackson, I did have to raise the Fury up (I like my JB raised as high as possible), but the 2 pickups balanced just fine, volume-wise. When I say "output" and "balance" I'm talking about volume, not gain. Altho the JB has more gain than a Fury, as the same amp settings, both pickups give me what what I want out of their respective positions.

I'm so far liking the tone of the TS neck, but I just put it in yesterday. If for some reason I decide to go a different way, I will likely go with a stack of some kind (which I guess could include the Furys), as at that point I'd be looking to experience something other than a normal single coil.
 
Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

ruger9 said:
When I say "output" and "balance" I'm talking about volume, not gain.
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Would you elaborate on what this means? Pickups convert string vibration into alternating current. They don't amplify or attenuate anything so they don't have gain.
 
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Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

gregory said:
Would you elaborate on what this means? Pickups convert string vibration into alternating current. They don't amplify or attenuate anything so they don't have gain.
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I thought is was clear... I'll try again. Volume, not distortion. Is that better? I have pickups that are loud and clean, quiet and clean, loud and dirty.... I just wanted to clarify the Fury isn't "too quiet" to match with a JB (nor is it too clean, but of course that's a personal taste thing.) The Fury can handle it just fine, the neck and bridge volumes balance just fine.

The HFH I replaced the Fury with is cleaner than the Fury was. But also balances just fine with the JB, volume-wise.
 
Re: HSS strat.... Texas Specials vs YJM Fury

So all the Duncan stacks besides the STK-S4M are reverse polarity relative to non-RWRP Duncan singles besides the Antiquity Texas Hots.

Seems like it is you who should get the beer. ;)

:beerchug:
 
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