I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
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blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
+1. The 23rd and 24th frets are so narrow, there's not much you can do with them. Players seem pleased with 22 fret SG's; I have a few of them myself, and don't think I'm missing anything. I'm not restricted in my playing in the least.
+1. The 23rd and 24th frets are so narrow, there's not much you can do with them. Players seem pleased with 22 fret SG's; I have a few of them myself, and don't think I'm missing anything. I'm not restricted in my playing in the least.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Maybe some of us, most of us, don't perceive any tangible benefit from 24 fret guitars. Not really an improvement in our eyes. We're not going to replace what we have now (and love) for 2 extra frets, that we'd rarely, if ever use. That would be stupid.
Electric guitars were mostly perfected in the 1950's; everything since then has been minor modifications, 'tweaks'. Not everyone agrees that every one of these modifications has been a step forward. Most of us aren't flocking to 24 fret guitars, active PU's, onboard effects, and robot tuners; not because we're hopelessly old-fashioned or brain-dead, but because we've thought it thru, and either find them unnecessary and not worth the additional expense, or because we think they're (and I'm using a mucisian's term here) 'crap'.
Maybe some of us, most of us, don't perceive any tangible benefit from 24 fret guitars. Not really an improvement in our eyes. We're not going to replace what we have now (and love) for 2 extra frets, that we'd rarely, if ever use. That would be stupid.
Electric guitars were mostly perfected in the 1950's; everything since then has been minor modifications, 'tweaks'. Not everyone agrees that every one of these modifications has been a step forward. Most of us aren't flocking to 24 fret guitars, active PU's, onboard effects, and robot tuners; not because we're hopelessly old-fashioned or brain-dead, but because we've thought it thru, and either find them unnecessary and not worth the additional expense, or because we think they're (and I'm using a mucisian's term here) 'crap'.
sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
The SG is one guitar that I wouldn't see any harm in just converting to 24 frets across the board.
If you don't want to use those two frets, don't. They're not gonna hurt you by just being there.
Literally nothing else about the design would change. Nothing would move. It would just replace the plastic between the neck and neck pickup with fretboard.
I don't usually use 24 fret guitars, but I wouldn't have a problem with a 24 fret SG.
The SG is one guitar that I wouldn't see any harm in just converting to 24 frets across the board.
If you don't want to use those two frets, don't. They're not gonna hurt you by just being there.
Literally nothing else about the design would change. Nothing would move. It would just replace the plastic between the neck and neck pickup with fretboard.
I don't usually use 24 fret guitars, but I wouldn't have a problem with a 24 fret SG.
ErikH
Well-known member
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
I tell ya, there have been a few times where having those two extra frets would have been handy. I have gone 'beyond' the 22nd fret only to realize it too late. This is due to me being used to feeling the inside of the cutaway against my hand on my Strat so I know I'm at the last fret. Not so on the SG. Hitting the "invisible 23rd fret" is no fun...LOL.
I tell ya, there have been a few times where having those two extra frets would have been handy. I have gone 'beyond' the 22nd fret only to realize it too late. This is due to me being used to feeling the inside of the cutaway against my hand on my Strat so I know I'm at the last fret. Not so on the SG. Hitting the "invisible 23rd fret" is no fun...LOL.
RealtyViking
New member
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Alright Gibson is offering a 50th anniversary 24 fret standard:
Compared to the 22 fret standard:
Alright Gibson is offering a 50th anniversary 24 fret standard:
Compared to the 22 fret standard:
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
that 24 fret model looks amazing!
that 24 fret model looks amazing!
Kam
Shaftologist
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Man, threads like this really piss me off. Guy asks a simple question and a bunch of dudes storm in, ignore the facts and start mouthing off about their own personal tastes and it turns into another young vs old, blues vs metal, my tastes vs your tastes parade of bull****.
Some people need to realise that their opinions just don't ****ing matter and shut up about them when they're irrelevant to the purpose of the thread.
I don't own a 24 fret guitar and I don't really have any burning desire to, either. On a guitar design like an SG where their inclusion makes absolutely ZERO difference to people who aren't going to use them, I think they're a good idea and they should be included.
What, none of you guys ever hit a full-step bend on the 22nd fret? You don't think it just might be cool to hit that note with a slide or a hammer-on or a tap? Just for a little variety? Even if you barely ever use it, since when was having more options a bad thing?
Man, threads like this really piss me off. Guy asks a simple question and a bunch of dudes storm in, ignore the facts and start mouthing off about their own personal tastes and it turns into another young vs old, blues vs metal, my tastes vs your tastes parade of bull****.
Some people need to realise that their opinions just don't ****ing matter and shut up about them when they're irrelevant to the purpose of the thread.
I don't own a 24 fret guitar and I don't really have any burning desire to, either. On a guitar design like an SG where their inclusion makes absolutely ZERO difference to people who aren't going to use them, I think they're a good idea and they should be included.
What, none of you guys ever hit a full-step bend on the 22nd fret? You don't think it just might be cool to hit that note with a slide or a hammer-on or a tap? Just for a little variety? Even if you barely ever use it, since when was having more options a bad thing?
Andrew Lamprecht
Minion of One
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
I've done that once or twice. Then when it happens you feel like an idiot.
I agree kam. :flowers1:
I've done that once or twice. Then when it happens you feel like an idiot.
I agree kam. :flowers1:
guitfiddle
firstlessonologist
Reload in 5
Just Ultimate Slacker
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
We are guitarist. Set in our ways. I would be willing to bet that MOST people who look at SGs dont want or need 24 frets. Many would see it as blasphemy since that wasnt how they originally made them. I personally think the 22 fret model looks better with the pickguard there.
I would also be willing to bet that most guys who want 24 fret necks arent very likely to look at SGs, but more so at superstrat guitars.
So putting 24 frets on ALL SGs would likely cost more sales than it would gain.
And thats your answer. Money. Gibson obviously feel they will make more money with their current practices.
We are guitarist. Set in our ways. I would be willing to bet that MOST people who look at SGs dont want or need 24 frets. Many would see it as blasphemy since that wasnt how they originally made them. I personally think the 22 fret model looks better with the pickguard there.
I would also be willing to bet that most guys who want 24 fret necks arent very likely to look at SGs, but more so at superstrat guitars.
So putting 24 frets on ALL SGs would likely cost more sales than it would gain.
And thats your answer. Money. Gibson obviously feel they will make more money with their current practices.
Kam
Shaftologist
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Lots of good points and I think you're pretty much spot on. Which is a shame.
I just want to note for the record that I'm not one of the guitarists you're talking about and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Lots of good points and I think you're pretty much spot on. Which is a shame.
I just want to note for the record that I'm not one of the guitarists you're talking about and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Bludave
New member
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Not everybody WANTS 24 frets on SG's. I for one would never buy a guitar with 24 frets
Not everybody WANTS 24 frets on SG's. I for one would never buy a guitar with 24 frets
LedSabbath
New member
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Tony Iommi isn't a new artist. And it is not just wanting to sound like someone but the extra versatility which is slight form a 24-Fret guitar. But my main point is that The SG is already made to fit an extra 2-frets on the neck.
Agileguy_101
Master of his Domain
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
Hey Steve - take a chill pill.
Did you read my post? I didn't say that I felt that way. It's just what I see as a general trend from people under 25 or so that are just now picking up guitar, or just started within the last year or two.
For the record, I that's the kind of music I like. I actually know who Paganini was, and I can even spell his name correctly - something that even you couldn't do. So don't attack me just because you misinterpreted what I said.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Hey Steve - take a chill pill.
Did you read my post? I didn't say that I felt that way. It's just what I see as a general trend from people under 25 or so that are just now picking up guitar, or just started within the last year or two.
For the record, I that's the kind of music I like. I actually know who Paganini was, and I can even spell his name correctly - something that even you couldn't do. So don't attack me just because you misinterpreted what I said.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: I have never understood why this is. (SG Content)
I've usually avoided 24 fret guitars, because the style of guitar they come on doesn't appeal to me.
Then, I bought my SG Diablo and it's such a great guitar that I barely even think about the extra 2 frets, even though it is nice to grab a high E on occasion. Also, the Diablo neck is a full 50's neck, so it doesn't exactly have that shred feel. But it's a fast and killer neck.
But there's one benefit I notice on my 24 fret SG. The fact that there's more wood at the joint adds some boldness to the tone and gives the SG a very solid feel. That, coupled with the fat 50's neck.
All I can say is that I'm now used to the control layout on a carved top SG, and there's no difference in feel or sound having 2 extra frets.
I've usually avoided 24 fret guitars, because the style of guitar they come on doesn't appeal to me.
Then, I bought my SG Diablo and it's such a great guitar that I barely even think about the extra 2 frets, even though it is nice to grab a high E on occasion. Also, the Diablo neck is a full 50's neck, so it doesn't exactly have that shred feel. But it's a fast and killer neck.
But there's one benefit I notice on my 24 fret SG. The fact that there's more wood at the joint adds some boldness to the tone and gives the SG a very solid feel. That, coupled with the fat 50's neck.
All I can say is that I'm now used to the control layout on a carved top SG, and there's no difference in feel or sound having 2 extra frets.