Myaccount876
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
Not bothered by it at all. Play it just like any other guitar.
Not bothered by it at all. Play it just like any other guitar.
i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
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Inkstained
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
The volume knob placement is the EXACT reason Strats never caught on, if you can dig that.
The volume knob placement is the EXACT reason Strats never caught on, if you can dig that.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
Well that, and the twangy tones.
Well that, and the twangy tones.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
It always helps to complain
In all the time I have played strats(30 years+) I have never cut myself on it....never rested my hand hard on the bridge either...
People plays differently and that is how it usually shows what fits and what does not.....
It is like riding a bike, and then complain over the two missing wheels
It always helps to complain
In all the time I have played strats(30 years+) I have never cut myself on it....never rested my hand hard on the bridge either...
People plays differently and that is how it usually shows what fits and what does not.....
It is like riding a bike, and then complain over the two missing wheels
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hermetico
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
I'd never consider stupid an axe design that was (or still is) the main weapon for people like:
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
David Gilmour
Ritchie Blackmore
Jeff Beck
Mark Knoffler
Steve Ray Vaughan
Robert Cray
Andy Latimer
Rory Gallagher
Robin Trower
just to name a few...
Maybe, it's not for you but... stupid?????
I'd never consider stupid an axe design that was (or still is) the main weapon for people like:
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
David Gilmour
Ritchie Blackmore
Jeff Beck
Mark Knoffler
Steve Ray Vaughan
Robert Cray
Andy Latimer
Rory Gallagher
Robin Trower
just to name a few...
Maybe, it's not for you but... stupid?????
Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
it's not about tone, rather design. does a strat sound amazing? if you have a good one, yes. but is it a good design for our modern needs? no. for then time it was great, but anno 2013 it is hopelessly flawed. the issue at hand, though, is that it can be improved but not without changing the tone of the product. it is such an iconic tone, nearly every change will compromise that tone. that is why all the greats adopted the strat. not because it looks or plays so well. because it sounds so well. that is the truth of the matter.PS. a les paul, SG, super400, tele, jaguar and jazz master are equally flawed.
it's not about tone, rather design. does a strat sound amazing? if you have a good one, yes. but is it a good design for our modern needs? no. for then time it was great, but anno 2013 it is hopelessly flawed. the issue at hand, though, is that it can be improved but not without changing the tone of the product. it is such an iconic tone, nearly every change will compromise that tone. that is why all the greats adopted the strat. not because it looks or plays so well. because it sounds so well. that is the truth of the matter.PS. a les paul, SG, super400, tele, jaguar and jazz master are equally flawed.
Dr. Vegetable
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
I tend to agree, but it begs the question... What is the "ideal" guitar design as of 2013?
I tend to agree, but it begs the question... What is the "ideal" guitar design as of 2013?
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
So what if they are flawed? Perfect is kinda boring.
So what if they are flawed? Perfect is kinda boring.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
+1. No design pleases everyone, and in spite of heartfelt claims, no design is perfect. The fact that great players have chosen this guitar or that, just means that they have learned to live with it's flaws and limitations. There may be one or two features that they particularly like, and the rest they tolerate. In the 1960's and into the 1970's, Strats had the best whammy bar, which was an important feature for many players, and may have been the deciding factor for some of them. Hendrix wouldn't have had the same style with a Tele.
+1. No design pleases everyone, and in spite of heartfelt claims, no design is perfect. The fact that great players have chosen this guitar or that, just means that they have learned to live with it's flaws and limitations. There may be one or two features that they particularly like, and the rest they tolerate. In the 1960's and into the 1970's, Strats had the best whammy bar, which was an important feature for many players, and may have been the deciding factor for some of them. Hendrix wouldn't have had the same style with a Tele.
LReese
Sausage Gravy
Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
I wouldn't say hopelessly flawed, but I agree. Technology has advanced to adapt the Strat for modern needs. Some of those advancements just don't work for me, but they certainly work for others.
Still I think its pretty incredible in its original form.
I wouldn't say hopelessly flawed, but I agree. Technology has advanced to adapt the Strat for modern needs. Some of those advancements just don't work for me, but they certainly work for others.
Still I think its pretty incredible in its original form.
Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
from a design perspective? if I had To go purely by design (ergonomics, stability), I would say Strandberg, Parker, Aristides... tonally, I would not know because well... just read my previous post
from a design perspective? if I had To go purely by design (ergonomics, stability), I would say Strandberg, Parker, Aristides... tonally, I would not know because well... just read my previous post
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Old Ghost
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
And that's the problem with the damn stupid strats! :18::18::18: ...and that volume knob and that stupid middle pickup :wrf:
And that's the problem with the damn stupid strats! :18::18::18: ...and that volume knob and that stupid middle pickup :wrf:
hermetico
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
Did you ever tried to design your own guitar?
Did you ever do that exercise?
I did it when I was young and... it was so close to what an strato is that I forgot the project.
You mean ergonomy?
The body of a strato is ergonomic, indeed. About necks, you have so many possibilities: c, v, soft v, modern c, ....
About pickup configurations: SSS, HSS, HSH or even HHH...
About brigdes... vintage 2 screws, vintage 6 screws, deluxe, floyd rose....
You swap your loaded pickguard with a new loaded pickguard and you have a totally different instrument...
What plays S.Vai at the end? isn't that a floyd rose strato with high gain humbuckers and some "customized look"?
What plays YGM? Frusciante?
And what was playing Van Halen at the end?.
The difference is that all that people has a tech that acommodates the instrument to the player, modifying the profile of the neck or whatever other modification that makes the player to feel more comfortable with its instrument. Many people addapts the instrument by himself, also.
There are two paths: or you addapt yourself to your instrument or you addapt your instrument to you.
First way will make you verstatiler, since you will be able to play any kind of guitar.
Second way will chain you to your very customized guitar.
And, none is wrong. Do what better works for you.
IMHO, the smart thing is to take the best of each guitar as it is. It's always a funny challenge.
As already said, there is no perfect design, as there is no axe for everything and... that's perfect!.
We have a lot of exciting tools, with different shapes, controls, sounds to play and to inspire us. I love all kind of guitars, all them inspire me in some way.
Did you ever tried to design your own guitar?
Did you ever do that exercise?
I did it when I was young and... it was so close to what an strato is that I forgot the project.
You mean ergonomy?
The body of a strato is ergonomic, indeed. About necks, you have so many possibilities: c, v, soft v, modern c, ....
About pickup configurations: SSS, HSS, HSH or even HHH...
About brigdes... vintage 2 screws, vintage 6 screws, deluxe, floyd rose....
You swap your loaded pickguard with a new loaded pickguard and you have a totally different instrument...
What plays S.Vai at the end? isn't that a floyd rose strato with high gain humbuckers and some "customized look"?
What plays YGM? Frusciante?
And what was playing Van Halen at the end?.
The difference is that all that people has a tech that acommodates the instrument to the player, modifying the profile of the neck or whatever other modification that makes the player to feel more comfortable with its instrument. Many people addapts the instrument by himself, also.
There are two paths: or you addapt yourself to your instrument or you addapt your instrument to you.
First way will make you verstatiler, since you will be able to play any kind of guitar.
Second way will chain you to your very customized guitar.
And, none is wrong. Do what better works for you.
IMHO, the smart thing is to take the best of each guitar as it is. It's always a funny challenge.
As already said, there is no perfect design, as there is no axe for everything and... that's perfect!.
We have a lot of exciting tools, with different shapes, controls, sounds to play and to inspire us. I love all kind of guitars, all them inspire me in some way.
Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
I love my Parker, but it's jagged, pointy horn stabs my chest when I play sitting down, and the head stock doesn't protrude past the neck edge on one side, which means I can't hang it with the usual wall hangers, so, while it plays like butter and better than any Strat I've owned, it isn't very ergonomic.
Strats are the most comfortable guitars I've ever played. And, while volume location used to drive me crazy, for some reason, after a few years of a break from owning Strats, it no longer bugs me. Maybe I'm picking further from the bridge than in the past, or maybe I've improved and I'm not as ham fisted as I used to be (and kinda still am).
from a design perspective? if I had To go purely by design (ergonomics, stability), I would say Strandberg, Parker, Aristides... tonally, I would not know because well... just read my previous post
I love my Parker, but it's jagged, pointy horn stabs my chest when I play sitting down, and the head stock doesn't protrude past the neck edge on one side, which means I can't hang it with the usual wall hangers, so, while it plays like butter and better than any Strat I've owned, it isn't very ergonomic.
Strats are the most comfortable guitars I've ever played. And, while volume location used to drive me crazy, for some reason, after a few years of a break from owning Strats, it no longer bugs me. Maybe I'm picking further from the bridge than in the past, or maybe I've improved and I'm not as ham fisted as I used to be (and kinda still am).
leftyaxeman
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
Dude, I play a Les Paul also. Gibson might have an argument, but for 3x's the price. IMO the access to the last fret is easier on my strat than my Paul, and I have large hands. I also agree with you, I'll take my LP over my strat any day. I like the ergonomics of the strat, with the forearm bevel, I don't get the indentation in my forearm from leaning on the edge as I do with the LP. I agree about the Jackson, I love my soloist, but in essence, it is a strat imitation with slight alterations in design & improvements as stated in my original post.
Dude, I play a Les Paul also. Gibson might have an argument, but for 3x's the price. IMO the access to the last fret is easier on my strat than my Paul, and I have large hands. I also agree with you, I'll take my LP over my strat any day. I like the ergonomics of the strat, with the forearm bevel, I don't get the indentation in my forearm from leaning on the edge as I do with the LP. I agree about the Jackson, I love my soloist, but in essence, it is a strat imitation with slight alterations in design & improvements as stated in my original post.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
Well I'm selling my LP style guitar....can't get used to it...never could, don't like the sound all that much either...it is just not my kind of thing, while I dig others who play one, I'm just not one bit happy about it....
I feel odd playing it....
Well I'm selling my LP style guitar....can't get used to it...never could, don't like the sound all that much either...it is just not my kind of thing, while I dig others who play one, I'm just not one bit happy about it....
I feel odd playing it....
Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
but you are missing my point. I am viewing it purely academic. cancelling out all popular connotations. sure, many guitars are based on a strat, but they are improved versions. isn't that my whole point? a strat in its basic shape lacks some features. the bridge is flawed, the upper fret access is bad designed, the pickups are noisy,cumbersome location of the pots etc etc.
oh Dan it just learn to read and crunch my previous post. o am rehashing what I said before!!
but you are missing my point. I am viewing it purely academic. cancelling out all popular connotations. sure, many guitars are based on a strat, but they are improved versions. isn't that my whole point? a strat in its basic shape lacks some features. the bridge is flawed, the upper fret access is bad designed, the pickups are noisy,cumbersome location of the pots etc etc.
oh Dan it just learn to read and crunch my previous post. o am rehashing what I said before!!
SlyFoxx
Glossless
Re: i never realized how stupid of a design the strat has until...
Funny, the Strat is the only guitar I can look at that still looks like it's from the future. Leo and co. got waaaaay more right than they got wrong. It's simply to this day the icon of what an electric guitar is. You can try and argue the point but you'd be wrong. I won't name names but they'll be along any time now.
Funny, the Strat is the only guitar I can look at that still looks like it's from the future. Leo and co. got waaaaay more right than they got wrong. It's simply to this day the icon of what an electric guitar is. You can try and argue the point but you'd be wrong. I won't name names but they'll be along any time now.
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