I think I know what I want

Gunny47

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Yes all, I think I made a decision of what Im getting next. I had my heart set on either a strat or an SG, but I think Im going to go with something a little more radical...

Okay, let me do some typing on my guitar center trips over the last 3 days.

My brother wants to start playing drums and wanted a good drum set to start off and to grow into. We settled on Drum Center in Long Island and ordered a Tama Superstar Custom in scarlet fade (red to black) with a paiste cymbol set and got a sweet deal on it. But of course, we went to a few guitar centers before that.

So the first guitar center, I played a 56 Relic Fiesta Red Strat (all the guitars I played all three days were through a Fender 57 Tweed Twin-Amp). Beautiful freaking guitar. Played slide with it before the guy working there told me to stop playing due to fretwear, and I realized it was not such a good slide guitar. I prefered the humbucking sound when it came to slide, the upper neck access was not as good as an SG and most importantly, the fingerboard radius was too small (rounded). It was hard to just belt out that whole major chord across a fret in open E tuning, you could only get like 3 strings to ring out clearly. And ya know, it was great tone, but it didn't WOW me. I was not completely thrilled with anything, I simply liked the tones on my LP with the Tweed better. I didn't feel like the strat gave me anything I was rele missing, or well, in better words, really wanted. I played a couple of other strats and they just didn't stack up to the tone and playability of this one, so I did not want to spend the money just to spend it. I wanted something that I would not be able to put down and kept me as entertained as my R7 does.

Next contestant - the SG. Of course, probably one of the best suited guitars for slide and probably one of the most used for slide. Sounds like just what Im looking for - humbucking tone, ultra easy higher fret access, thinner neck, flat fingerboard radius, still retains that tone and mojo of my favorite Les Pauls - sounds like the perfect guitar for me right, huh? WRONG!

Im a big guy... I want a nice chunk of wood on my leg or around my neck when Im playing. I like heavy guitars, I like big shapes, I like thicker tone. I played 2 '61 Reissues, 2 Custom Shop VOS jobs (both red standards, one with maestro tailpiece, one with the stopbar). The '61 Reissues just sounded flat to me - too clean or something. I always thought this about the '57 Classics. The VOS ones were really nice guitars, the Burstbucker 1 & 2 combo is great for the SGs and they sound killer, but theyre really not for me. I get the high fret access, but the guitar doesnt sit on my leg right and is just not right for me. Too small. My brother said, "Nick, you with an SG is like one of those huge monkies on a tiny tricycle." I thought the clean sounds were on the weak side even when the amp was pushed. Mostly playability differences. Just not my style.

Just to throw in, I played a tele or two and they just weren't what I was lookign for....

Now what was I to do? I seemed to like the humbucking tone, but I still would like a single coil guitar for versitility with my Paulas. So I was thinking something in between like a P90 or Mini Humbucker equipped job. Then I still wanted the good fret access for slide (I wanted this to be my slide guitar). As for distorted tones, I wanted a nice smoothness to it, not really raunchy so I can get that thick violin sustain with distorted slide. I also wanted great cleans that I can use with jazz and blues. And then I wanted a guitar on the heavier side that just felt right. And I gotta admit, I'm still in love with the strat look - radical custom colors, whammy bar might come in handy too. So what does it add up to???

FIREBIRD VII!!!!!!!

Discuss - Ill post a review on it and some other Firebird related words in a little bit.
 
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Okay yea - I was being super critical in the last post. But if Im going to be buying it soon, I want to be!

Anyway, so I was in one of the Long Island Guitar Centers (I forget which one, it was one I've never been to). Played one of the SGs and a couple strats first. Once I ruled those out, something caught my eye. It was a white Firebird V. Ive been dying to play a firebird for a long time! Never played one before. Had a gas attack for one a rele long time ago so I had to satisfy my curiosity. Picked it up, plugged it into the Fender 57 Twin Amp, and started playing this jazz progression I wrote. Neck pickup. Sounded pretty damn GOOD! It had a very stratty vibe with the tone, but had a lot of balls to it! Great bluesy cleans too - thinner than a Les Paul, but that's good (and pretty obvious). No chance of it getting too muddy. A lot of clarity to these suckers. Each string seemed very balanced to one another.

However, this guitar had pretty crumby action, on the high side. So I put it away and played the one that really had me impressed - the metallic red Firebird VII! I saw these on the internet, and all the gold just looked over the top and too gaudy. In person, it looked AMAZING. Not too much to me at all. The gold maestro tailpiece was really nice, and the added whammy bar was cool for making a complex jazz chord breath a little. The red finish on the neck really looked good against the white binding, ebony board and block inlays. Fretboard was super smooth, great action for hybrid playing (both slide and normal - of course, Im used to playing slide on the super low action of my R7). Looked killer, just felt "right" to me. The easy access to the high frets was there. Nice weight to the thing too. Its a big looking guitar so it looks right on me.

As for tone, for the neck pickup, same as the Firebird V. But the added third pickup was good too. It made the middle spot have more character and not as weak (middle pickup + bridge instead of neck pickup + bridge). Really gave a good Clapton and BB King tone when you set the amp up right. Bridge pickup - on the harsh side due to the pickups being high gain and ceramic magnets (should be fixed up with a duncan antiquity). Overall, the pickups gave a lot of tones and satisfied me for now. I can always change them out later.

I also plugged into a Tweed Blues Junior and got to crank it a bit for lead tones. Perfect - just what I was looking for. Gave up smooth tones in all three pup positions. Sorta like the tone gets thicker and more sustain as the volume goes up compared to jsut crunching out like a humbucker (the firebird acts like a strat in that respect). Also on the side, the banjo tuners were really cool. Nothing major, something that is akward at first but you can get used to. Just adds to the unique mojo of the guitar.

Overall, I think that is what I'll be picking up next. The strats and SGs that I was interested in where in the mid 2 grand range, but the Firebird VII is just under $2000. Might be able to get a deal anyway... So I can't wait til I get enough cash to grab it. Probably gotta wait til the summer when the summer job kicks in. Okay, thanks for reading!
 
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Be careful with that Maestro tailpiece. I've got a vintage '62 LP with a Maestro, and I wish more than anything that it had a stop bar.
 
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Yea, I am probably going to think its cool for the first few weeks of owning the guitar but then get sick of it and tire of the tuning problems. Isn't there a way to bypass the vibrato thing - take it off and have the strings go through the tailpiece over the bridge and it would sorta be like a stopbar job? I definitely saw a pic of that somewhere - it was on Gary Rossington's SG...
 
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I think you are trying to put two guitars into one...

I wouldn't do that in that price range, it is better to buy the guitar that will give you EXACTLY the tone that you want from it. This may result to a one trick pony, but that's the point...

Go with what you really want, if you want an SG, buy the SG and have in mind that in two or three years you can probably go back and buy the strat too! :)

I LOVE the firebirds myself but I like the V not the VII...

btw Gunny47 do you have anything recorded that you can share?

You like my kind of music and you are a big Warren and Derek fan...
 
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Okay I reread my last post and it was TOTALLY misleading. I just meant that the whammy bar would get boring after a while... The guitar is freaking awesome! I wish they had them in sunburst still with the chrome hardware... As for getting an SG first and then a strat (or reverse) is just not what Im looking for. I guess I should have been a little more clear. I found things that were not right for me personally with the SG and found things that I did not like about the Strat. So getting 2 guitars that are just OKAY that I dont really care for at all at over 2 grand is a waste, when I can get a guitar that will do everything I want for a little under 2 grand (for now) is perfect!

As for the Firebird V vs. Firebird VII, I'm a Gibson Standard type of guy (trapezoid inlays, rosewood boards, cream single binding, nickel hardware etc). Middle of the road when it comes to cosmetics. I always prefer Standards over Customs or Specials or whatever (of couse those are awesome too). However, the firebird VII really spoke to me. The big inlays, gold hardware, big tailpiece, ebony board was really cool on the Firebird to me. The third pickup is a nice addition too.

I don't really have any recordings of myself. A few from when I was just starting out which I will not post because they're embarrasing, and a few from my bands. The ones from my bands are through a computer mic, so it will not give a great representation of my tone, and the recordings are sorta old when I was blasting out on Slash and Joe Perry stuff. Ill post a couple of them though. Theyre with my R7 straight into my Gibson GA5 (I think one of them has a wah on it). A lot of it is messing around and just getting the ideas down before I forget them. I might invest in some mics and a recording mixer thing (I know JACK SCHIT about this stuff so I dont know how much they cost and stuff - I can get my brother to chip in too cuz he'll be recording his drum stuff). Anyway, Ill try to post them, I gotta deal with file types etc....
 
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Okay I reread my last post and it was TOTALLY misleading. I just meant that the whammy bar would get boring after a while... The guitar is freaking awesome! I wish they had them in sunburst still with the chrome hardware... As for getting an SG first and then a strat (or reverse) is just not what Im looking for. I guess I should have been a little more clear. I found things that were not right for me personally with the SG and found things that I did not like about the Strat. So getting 2 guitars that are just OKAY that I dont really care for at all at over 2 grand is a waste, when I can get a guitar that will do everything I want for a little under 2 grand (for now) is perfect!

As for the Firebird V vs. Firebird VII, I'm a Gibson Standard type of guy (trapezoid inlays, rosewood boards, cream single binding, nickel hardware etc). Middle of the road when it comes to cosmetics. I always prefer Standards over Customs or Specials or whatever (of couse those are awesome too). However, the firebird VII really spoke to me. The big inlays, gold hardware, big tailpiece, ebony board was really cool on the Firebird to me. The third pickup is a nice addition too.

I don't really have any recordings of myself. A few from when I was just starting out which I will not post because they're embarrasing, and a few from my bands. The ones from my bands are through a computer mic, so it will not give a great representation of my tone, and the recordings are sorta old when I was blasting out on Slash and Joe Perry stuff. Ill post a couple of them though. Theyre with my R7 straight into my Gibson GA5 (I think one of them has a wah on it). A lot of it is messing around and just getting the ideas down before I forget them. I might invest in some mics and a recording mixer thing (I know JACK SCHIT about this stuff so I dont know how much they cost and stuff - I can get my brother to chip in too cuz he'll be recording his drum stuff). Anyway, Ill try to post them, I gotta deal with file types etc....

Oh, I missunderstood the post...

If the firebird is what you really want go for it, if it fills up the specs you set and fills up the tone you have in your head, then there is nothing missing...

man you have me thinking about a firebird V again, I thought I went over that GAS case..

oh... and thanks for the clip Nick!
 
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Eh, I was never too crazy about explorers. My friend has an Epiphone Goth Explorer (white pickguard in an attempt to un-goth it) and a white Gibson one. Hes a big metallica fan and plays mostly hard rock, classic rock and Im starting to turn him onto the blues. They have the good fret access, but I just dont like their vibe. They look wierd on me anyway. Just look too modern, and I dont like the stock pickups. Of course, can be changed out but I like to buy a guitar that I like all apects of AS Im leaving the store and then down the road Ill FIND something that I would want to tweak - like with my R7, a year and a half later I want to swap the bridge pickup. I like the more unique vibe of the bird and tone really. I still wanted a guitar that can get me thinner sounds, humbucking tone is my favorite still, but I wanted SOMETHING different.
 
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Go with the Bird, I've played more than a few and they are great guitars, I'm suprised that I don't own one right now. Haven't played slid on one, but if its good enough for Johnny Winter, it's good enough for me.
 
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If you'd be setting this up as a slide guitar, would the maestro even be something that would be any use to you? On the other hand, if you aren't using it then it really shouldn't be a tuning stability issue.

Somewhat related... Sonny Landreth also macks the slide on the firebird from time to time.
 
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well, I wont be setting the guitar up for slide. I play a lot of jazz (in open E - I relearned all those damn chords - some are better shapes than standard, some are friggen weird). So I need the thing for chords and stuff. And of course, I would like to play the guitar without the slide too. My R7 has the lowest action - extremely low and very nice. I play slide with that with no trouble, I can play slide on any guitar. The maestro would be for the jazz chords - just making them move a little bit.
 
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My guitar center trips over the last 3 days.

So the first guitar center, I played a 56 Relic Fiesta Red Strat (all the guitars I played all three days were through a Fender 57 Tweed Twin-Amp). Beautiful freaking guitar. Played slide with it before the guy working there told me to stop playing due to fretwear



How does one get fret where in three days playing slide???

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They were different guitar centers over 3 days tho, so as soon as he saw me playing slide he told me to take it off....
 
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