Ibanez RG 570 pickups

[Nanoman]

Hi there, you look like a cool board.... I`m jumping in

well, i`m trying to find pickups that can match my Ibanes RG570. It`s a basswood body, maple neck with bubinga stripe and rosewood fretboard guitar with a edge trem system. I am a bit confused and I don`t have an oportunity to go and try pickups (I live in the cave) so I`m checkin the internet.

I won`t change my single coil, I go for a bridge and neck and although I play heavy music I think I won`t go for SD distortion. I love the crunch and chug, but I did heard some samples and it sounds like it`s imposible to run away from that one and only tone, a bit compresed and not organic at all. I could be totally wrong, that`s why i`m writing here..I need some experienced opinions on a subject.
For example, guitars on Anthrax album State Of Euphoria (for christ sake is it really released 17 years from now???) sounds just great when heavy distorted and yet very organic and healthy. I think (again, could be wrong) that is a tone which can go into more heavy CHUG and also more warm zones..That`s my goal to achieve, maybe not exact sound, but the elements...organic, clear but meaty strong and audible when heavy distorted. With edge and balanced.
I got a 100% sure info that they used Seymor DUncan JB model when recording, but I know they always play a full mahogany guitars and I don`t want to end with thin sounded guitar. Anybody have some opinion? I read a lot about it and it usualy covers the reviews of JB in alder (could be very thin, they say) or mahogany guitars, but basswood is what i got.

Any other advices are helpfull, be free do advice me in any direction.

Thanks

P.S. I like heavy sound, but not too scooped NU metal. I also wanna play some hot hard rock on that guitar, i like Slayers South of Heaven, but then again Living Colour is great.

 

[SABOTAGE]

Re: Ibanez RG 570 pickups

Hi there, you look like a cool board.... I`m jumping in

well, i`m trying to find pickups that can match my Ibanes RG570. It`s a basswood body, maple neck with bubinga stripe and rosewood fretboard guitar with a edge trem system. I am a bit confused and I don`t have an oportunity to go and try pickups (I live in the cave) so I`m checkin the internet.

I won`t change my single coil, I go for a bridge and neck and although I play heavy music I think I won`t go for SD distortion. I love the crunch and chug, but I did heard some samples and it sounds like it`s imposible to run away from that one and only tone, a bit compresed and not organic at all. I could be totally wrong, that`s why i`m writing here..I need some experienced opinions on a subject.
For example, guitars on Anthrax album State Of Euphoria (for christ sake is it really released 17 years from now???) sounds just great when heavy distorted and yet very organic and healthy. I think (again, could be wrong) that is a tone which can go into more heavy CHUG and also more warm zones..That`s my goal to achieve, maybe not exact sound, but the elements...organic, clear but meaty strong and audible when heavy distorted. With edge and balanced.
I got a 100% sure info that they used Seymor DUncan JB model when recording, but I know they always play a full mahogany guitars and I don`t want to end with thin sounded guitar. Anybody have some opinion? I read a lot about it and it usualy covers the reviews of JB in alder (could be very thin, they say) or mahogany guitars, but basswood is what i got.

Any other advices are helpfull, be free do advice me in any direction.

Thanks

P.S. I like heavy sound, but not too scooped NU metal. I also wanna play some hot hard rock on that guitar, i like Slayers South of Heaven, but then again Living Colour is great.

JB/JAZZ set my man! you are there!

 

[MikeS]

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First, welcome aboard.

No real experience with basswood, but it is supposed to have a warm open sound. It's but going to be anywhere near as full as mahogany. That said, you might give the JB a shot. It's a great high output pup with great articulation.

a tone which can go into more heavy CHUG and also more warm zones..That`s my goal to achieve, maybe not exact sound, but the elements...organic, clear but meaty strong and audible when heavy distorted. With edge and balanced

That's definatly what I'm getting out of my JB. Your results may be a bit different being basswood. Might try it with 250k pots to take the edge off.

BTW - your notch positions will be very thin and nasaly if you keep the stock Ibanez single coil. Ibanez winds their pups in the opposite direction as Seymours.

 

[SABOTAGE]

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BTW - your notch positions will be very thin and nasaly if you keep the stock Ibanez single coil. Ibanez winds their pups in the opposite direction as Seymours.

that only applies to the powersound pups not the S-1's in the 570's

 

[MikeS]

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that only applies to the powersound pups not the S-1's in the 570's

Not familiar with the S-1s. Who makes them? If they are made in an over seas ibanez factory I'll still put money on them being wound like the powersound

 

[Leather Rebel]

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I had a JB in my RG550 and it sounded great! I did end up swapping for a Screamin' Demon, but I do miss the JB with the increased midrange. I definitely think either of these pickups will work in that RG570, but with the heavier style you describe, I'd go JB in the bridge. I don't have experience with any of the neck pickups, but I'd probably go with something fairly bright like the Jazz or Full Shred neck to avoid a muddier sound. Some folks love the '59 neck and others think the bass is too 'woofy', but ymmv.

 

[SABOTAGE]

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Not familiar with the S-1s. Who makes them? If they are made in an over seas ibanez factory I'll still put money on them being wound like the powersound

they are USA designed pups that are copied from american pups like dimarzio and duncan
the S-1 and the V series pups all share the same phase as duncan and dimarzio

 

[rguser]

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JB/JAZZ set my man! you are there!

ibanez RG's with basswood bodies are known to be bright and cold. I wouldn't use JB at bridge because that will sound shrill and dry, probably. I would try DiMarzio Breed!
If you read DiMarzio website or Ibanez website, Breed was designed for Vai's basswood JEM. It is supposed to make a basswood+floyd guitar sound full. And if you listen to the sound sample of Breed, which is a song from Vai's new cd, the tone is awesome. It is much better than evolution to my ears. In any case, I will try a very warm pickup for a basswood RG.
Just my opinion,

 

[marshall_artist]

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ibanez RG's with basswood bodies are known to be bright and cold. I wouldn't use JB at bridge because that will sound shrill and dry, probably. I would try DiMarzio Breed!
If you read DiMarzio website or Ibanez website, Breed was designed for Vai's basswood JEM. It is supposed to make a basswood+floyd guitar sound full. And if you listen to the sound sample of Breed, which is a song from Vai's new cd, the tone is awesome. It is much better than evolution to my ears. In any case, I will try a very warm pickup for a basswood RG.
Just my opinion,

I don't agree with rgusers first comment. The RG does sound good with the JB, I've tried it. It's not shrill or dry at all. The one thing I have noticed about the JB is that is is very sensitive to height adjustments so this might be the case if the guitar isn't setup correctly.

I wholeheartedly agree with him on the second comment. The Breed is the best pickup Dimarzio makes (IMHO). It adds "beef" and warmth to thin sounding guitars. It also has enough output to appeal to metalheads. If you're interested in them let me know because I might be selling mine. I've found that they're a little too warm in my mahogany bodied Ibanez S.

 

[Edgecrusher]

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Scott Ians State of Euphoria set up was a Neck through Soloist with a JB into a TC Electronics line driver then in a JCM800... Dan Spitz on that album was a neckthrough Rhoads with an EMG 81 into a Mesa MkIII.... I think the Jb will rock in the Ibanez... Though you may also want to look at the Custom...

 

[Artie]

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I don't know if this will be of any help, (I made this for another thread), but its an mp3 of a simple chord progression of a JB, in a basswood Peavey Generation EXP, starting off with a 100k pot, and then transitioning to a 600k pot.

Or vice-versa.

JB pot test

Edit: Ooops . . .

1. That wasn't a "chord" progression.
2. Welcome to the forum. :laugh2:

 

[Nanoman]

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Wheee man

Thanks guys, you rock

SABOTAGE, MikeS, Leather Rebel, marshall artist, Edgecrusher : Yeah? I think I`m pretty convinced to go for JB now for the bridge. Good to hear that I`m on good track..I was suspicious...somehow I`m not happy with a basswood guitar...but beside that this RG is a phenomenal guitar.

rguser: thanks for your opinion, that is exactly what I want to avoid, but anyhow I`ll go for JB, I`ll believe those guys who actually had it in bridge. They seem trusty enough but Thanks.

It`s cool to hear same opinion from you guys...Custom and Breed were my second choice, from the samples I hear, they sounds great, just I think that the JB offers more versatility and it cuts more, which is something I like. I`m thinking that I can always add grind later.

Marshall artist: sure, I could go for it...you can email me and set the price. It could be cool to have it and do a lab experiment.

S1 is not a bad pickup IMHO, not great but not for thrashcan. V hums...are killer for powersound, but nothin more. If somebody wants to hear about them, let me know.

Yeah Edgecrusher, you filled my info now, Scott actually mailed me with his setup, I didn`t had Danny`s... thx
Neck pickup....JAZZ u say Sabotage? I go to check it out, I never thought about it.

I`ll come back soon

 

[Nanoman]

Re: Ibanez RG 570 pickups

I don't know if this will be of any help, (I made this for another thread), but its an mp3 of a simple chord progression of a JB, in a basswood Peavey Generation EXP, starting off with a 100k pot, and then transitioning to a 600k pot.

Or vice-versa.

JB pot test

Edit: Ooops . . .

1. That wasn't a "chord" progression.
2. Welcome to the forum. :laugh2:

Thanks. It did helped me, now I hear what is my wood, many similarities there.

After hearing your guitar I can more surely say that in my opinion basswood isn`t a thin sounding wood, as some would like to state out all over
the web. I would say warm, bassy and could get muddy.
there is a bunch of theories about it, but I think that there is no reason not to put a sharp and reasonable trebly pickups into basswood, in my ears it`s a wood that sounds a bit muddier than mahogany...with good bottom end.
Actually from this distance clean, sharp articulate pickup looks like a perfect combination, gotta try.

I started to think about JAZZ as a very good option for the neck cause it should clean out the mud of basswood. I`m just thinking about it`s output...could it be bit lower than it should be for my style?

Yeah, one more...I heard that pickups loose a lot of it`s edge when soldered to volume pot. There are guys which doesnt use volume knob at all as a sacrifice for more intense sound. Huh?
And I heard that JB sounds absolutely the best hooked on 500k volume and 250 tone pots. Someone said that without wiring it in that way, JB can get thin sounded.

 

[MikeS]

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Basswood can be a tough wood to nail down tonal wise. There are often mineral streaks running through the wood that can really alter the wood's natural tone. The inconsistency in mineral deposits makes the tone very inconsistent from body to body I've found.

That said, though, I don't find basswood to be too bright. I've played some EMG81 loaded basswood bodies that did not sound overly bright. I would not say that the JB is brighter than the 81. In fact I think it's far better balanced than the 81.

There's a reason the JB/Jazz combo is so popular - it's a greatly matched set. Don't think that because the Jazz has a lower output that you can't shred with it. It's a very articulate pickup with a great vocal range. It won't drive your amp as hard as the JB, but the tone is still there. And FWIW, Dave Mustaine has been using the SH-2n (Jazz) for some time now.

 

[SABOTAGE]

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ibanez RG's with basswood bodies are known to be bright and cold. I wouldn't use JB at bridge because that will sound shrill and dry, probably. I would try DiMarzio Breed!
If you read DiMarzio website or Ibanez website, Breed was designed for Vai's basswood JEM. It is supposed to make a basswood+floyd guitar sound full. And if you listen to the sound sample of Breed, which is a song from Vai's new cd, the tone is awesome. It is much better than evolution to my ears. In any case, I will try a very warm pickup for a basswood RG.
Just my opinion,

HUH????? I remember there was a guy here who played RG's with the JB/jazz
set and it sounded phenomenal!
the breeds sound OK but they aint no JB/jazz

 

[JB_From_Hell]

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I've used a JB, Distortion, Invader, Custom, Custom Custom, EMG 81 and DiMarzio Evolution in my RG570, and the only one's I didn't like were the Custom Custom (not hot enough) and the Evo (I get bored with the DiMarzio tone REALLY quick).

 

[Nanoman]

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Thanks for your opinion, it is valuable to me. But, I did changed my mind. I`m gonna buy something else, if anyone is interested here`s a link to thread which is more down to subject.
Thanks everybody

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=26973