If we read left to right. ..

[beaubrummels]

yo, where can I learn more about this? haven't heard that before. asked my half-Japanese friend at work last night about it and he was like "uhhh, no? " but maybe since he only lived through primary school in Japan before coming here what you are ascribing to an entire society was not as ingrained? I tried duck duck go-ing it but came up empty. help a brotha out

Could be generational or because he didn't grow up in Japan. Depends on what grade he reached. Kids brought up on smart phones and iPads might not. I learned from my wife, who is Japanese, and from my best friend, who married a Japanese and has raised 4 boys in Japan for the last 30+ years.

 

[RanchManSandy]

cool, I just wish I had something more academic than anecdotal, but as we say in the security business, cest la vie (note: other people say this too but we started it)

 

[beaubrummels]

There's no rule that you must read right to left, so there won't be anything 'academic' to prove any point, it's just a natural tendency one might observe when so much of their history, official documents, signs, etc. read that way. I suppose if the thing they are looking at is obviously not Japanese at all, they might not look at it the same way. But while we live in America and my wife still has strong Japanese tendencies all day long no matter what, so that's my impression. She misses signs and instructions that any English speaker would catch right away.

 

[Chistopher]

Japan's a big place.

 

[RanchManSandy]

There's no rule that you must read right to left, so there won't be anything 'academic' to prove any point, it's just a natural tendency one might observe when so much of their history, official documents, signs, etc. read that way. I suppose if the thing they are looking at is obviously not Japanese at all, they might not look at it the same way. But while we live in America and my wife still has strong Japanese tendencies all day long no matter what, so that's my impression. She misses signs and instructions that any English speaker would catch right away.

I never said rule. plus there are tons of academic papers about weird human inclinations, phenomena, behaviors, and the like, so I don't think it was an unusual request.

 

[beaubrummels]

I never said rule. plus there are tons of academic papers about weird human inclinations, phenomena, behaviors, and the like, so I don't think it was an unusual request.

Then I guess learn to read and speak Japanese, then go to Japan and read Japanese academic papers.

 

[Clint 55]

 

[Chistopher]

There's a ton of things like that, that go beyond reading. Little things we just do because one arbitrary decision got set in stone. You don't have read UPC 607.4 to know that if you reach for the left faucet its gonna be hot.

 

[jeremy]

Japan's a big place.

is it? its like the size on montana right?

 

[beaubrummels]

is it? its like the size on montana right?

More like the entire west coast of America

 

[ehdwuld]

Looks tiny on a globe

 

[Chistopher]

It's land area is almost equal to California.

 

[jeremy]

japan = 146k sq miles, montana = 147k sq miles. california is almost 164k.

it does look kinda small, but there are a lot of little islands that add up. its not a small country, but big is a relative term.

 

[beaubrummels]

japan = 146k sq miles, montana = 147k sq miles. california is almost 164k.

it does look kinda small, but there are a lot of little islands that add up. its not a small country, but big is a relative term.

Try traveling from one end to the other. It's not like a drive across Montana.

https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/japan

 

[donaldr]

If we're going for crazy ideas . . . I think that pedals should all have standard sized cases and fit together like lego. Power and audio can be automatically connected as you snap each new pedal in line. There would be no real need for a pedalboard, because the pedals themselves would make a tight/flat unit.

I wrote to TC Electronic about that idea about 15-20 years ago: Have each Toneprint based pedal the same format and snap them together for I/O and power. I suggested to have two small pedals (for input, output and power) at the beginning and at the end to simplify the setup.

Would look like this for 2 pedals: [Out][P2][P1][In]
And like this for 5 pedals: [Out][P5][P4][P3][P2][P1][In]

You can simply add/remove pedals as you wish, and no pedalboard involved. They decided to create the Plethora X5, X3 and X1 instead.

 

[GuitarStv]

I wrote to TC Electronic about that idea about 15-20 years ago: Have each Toneprint based pedal the same format and snap them together for I/O and power. I suggested to have two small pedals (for input, output and power) at the beginning and at the end to simplify the setup.

Would look like this for 2 pedals: [Out][P2][P1][In]
And like this for 5 pedals: [Out][P5][P4][P3][P2][P1][In]

You can simply add/remove pedals as you wish, and no pedalboard involved. They decided to create the Plethora X5, X3 and X1 instead.

I like this idea. I guess the main problem would be lack of compatibility with other pedal manufacturers though.

 

[Mincer]

I like this idea. I guess the main problem would be lack of compatibility with other pedal manufacturers though.

Add in the fact that, let's face it...many people buy pedals because they look cool or have an interesting design.

 

[Seashore]

I dislike the Lego idea. It's a tradeoff I don't want to make - simplified connections at the price of a lot of flexibility in layout. Sometimes I need to put an OD and a delay catercorner to get them into the best position to hit them both reliably at the same time. Sometimes I want pedals physically farther apart so I don't have to worry about hitting them at the same time. There are a bunch of pedals (like EQ, compression, tuner, splitter) which, depending on my rig, I want on the top row because they're always or almost always on, and I want the stuff I use a lot to be more accessible. I like the quirky layouts and odd sizes of some stuff like my Hog pedal. Etc etc. And honestly, across lots of different board layouts and running 1/4" cables and power all kinds of different ways, I have never once wanted to swap input and output jacks. I put stuff where it needs to be, and then I figure out where the cables need to go to make it work.

 

[Chistopher]

Sometimes I need to put an OD and a delay catercorner to get them into the best position to hit them both reliably at the same time. Sometimes I want pedals physically farther apart so I don't have to worry about hitting them at the same time.

These sound like the words of a man who has never mastered the heel-toe downshift in an automobile.

 

[Seashore]

These sound like the words of a man who has never mastered the heel-toe downshift in an automobile.

You're right, it would be much better to make things harder for myself onstage so people know I'm one of the real ones.