Japanese made messed-up production

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He's saying that their CNC machines made the exact same holes in each guitar on the production line, meaning high precision but happened to be in not quite the right place. As if to say they messed up things like super accurate bridge installation for superior intonation but messed it up equally for each guitar. It's like 'wow you completely missed the mark but you missed it by the same amount each time. Congratulations!
 
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I'm still lost

And I would thing target would at least be preferable to wal-mart.
 
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As a long-time Jackson /Charvel collector and historian, I see a few things that are, the way I currently understand them, flat out false in the OP.

However, like most others, I really do not understand the gist of the argument that is being made, therefore I will reserve any posts until such a time as the subject matter is clarified and I understand what the problem is....
 
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I think people are looking for clarification when the OP never intended to make any sense...
 
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And I would thing Target would at least be preferable to wal-mart.

It is, but I was making a reference to the Wikipedia page he links to. It explains the difference between precision and accuracy by using a target-shooting analogy, with the familiar red & white target graphic and some bullet hole groupings.
 
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I think people are looking for clarification when the OP never intended to make any sense...

Sorry for that. I was looking for very specific things by stepping in the fire myself. I knew what would happen in every other sense, I have been lurking around here for quite a while now. This is a good forum.

Nice pictures, hehe. :)

Samu
 
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Why? I'm not going to.

I know some are going to be hold-outs, but I and some others find it offensive. It's like calling Germans "Krauts" or "Huns". There are other music-related forums on the net where, if you use it, someone will be on you with both feet in just a few posts. It's an unnecessary slight that can be avoided with an extra second of typing, but do what you want.
 
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I'm going to write up a strange thing. Kinda rant, so please excuse me, will ya?

I'm a Finn, a citizen of a nordic metal nation. The age is 43. MSc, heavy machine industy, materials research, "plankton level" issues where problem solving is...

I'm ex-shredder (well..), short-haired nowadays. I have proper scars.


Well, To the point:

As a J-guitar fan (not a collector but a sexy user trader):

Japanese production indeed used the highest possible quality of methods and machinery to machine the highest quality of the "plainest wood ever", to realize their thing. Mahogany, sugar maple and basswood. Prime woodstuff. All in the name of both quality and practicality.

They did a precision job always, and the precision of the quality was literally unmatched (for example those Jap made unofficial Fenders).

However they screwed up:

Something essential about the difference of precision an accuracy.

You get me? Hitting always the same hole but not hitting the middle of the target eventually failed them (I wonder if this is why 80s-90s era hair metal shredders left those guitars, probably because of pure boredom).

Well, there was probably more in details, however plain precision just was not enough. Like said, the Public Primary-User Charvel/Jackson SuperStrat Shredder era lasted only a few funny years ending up with a dinosaur death: Suddenly everyone switched to something else.

I blame Jackson and Charvel (yes, separately) for being way too arrogant in their designs, and I Seriously blame the Chu Shin Gakki factory for not suggesting hard enough their own point of view (they probably were simply unable to do so, they were (and still are) japanese). Whatever is th reason, I just hate them both equally, only because of their single-minded one-eyeness.

Regardless, after 20 years or so, those Charvel/Jacksons are carrying their posture without a fling. I love Jap Charvels and Jacksons because of their precision, only because that is indeed the only thing left of them. It is all solid, even today.

Forgive me ranting, I just had to do so.

Samu



English? Do you speak it? Just kidding
 
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I know some are going to be hold-outs, but I and some others find it offensive. It's like calling Germans "Krauts" or "Huns". There are other music-related forums on the net where, if you use it, someone will be on you with both feet in just a few posts. It's an unnecessary slight that can be avoided with an extra second of typing, but do what you want.

I hear what you are saying, but it's actually very much NOT like calling a German a "kraut"...which is a slight based on their heritage.

"Jap", is short for Japanese. Just like "Brit" is short for "british", or "Aussie" is short for Australian, etc.

"Nip" seems even more offensive to some, but again is just a shortening of Nippon (,Isle of- i.e. Japan)

I don't get the "racist" offensive thing with those two terms (Jap, Nip), but no doubt some people are PC sensitive about it.
 
Re: Japanese made messed-up production

I know some are going to be hold-outs, but I and some others find it offensive. It's like calling Germans "Krauts" or "Huns". There are other music-related forums on the net where, if you use it, someone will be on you with both feet in just a few posts. It's an unnecessary slight that can be avoided with an extra second of typing, but do what you want.



He's from Tennessee I'm sure he has said worse things than that,starting with the letter n.

:joke:
 
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I hear what you are saying, but it's actually very much NOT like calling a German a "kraut"...which is a slight based on their heritage.

"Jap", is short for Japanese. Just like "Brit" is short for "british", or "Aussie" is short for Australian, etc.

"Nip" seems even more offensive to some, but again is just a shortening of Nippon (,Isle of- i.e. Japan)

I don't get the "racist" offensive thing with those two terms (Jap, Nip), but no doubt some people are PC sensitive about it.

It has everything to do with WWII and the connotations that those words -- like Kraut, Hun, Nip, Jap -- carried throughout and long after that war. Many Americans (my grandparents and parents included) never stopped thinking of Japanese people as the enemy, and every time they used that word, you could hear how loaded it was with political and racial baggage. "Jap" is especially unpleasant to some because it sounds like an abbreviation for something else -- an abbreviation that is not permitted on this forum.

It's very easy to be reactionary to this stuff, to say it's a bunch of politically-correct nonsense, but I think it's really as simple as giving a damn about other people's feelings.
 
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It has everything to do with WWII and the connotations that those words -- like Kraut, Hun, Nip, Jap -- carried throughout and long after that war. "Jap" is especially unpleasant to some because it sounds like an abbreviation for something else -- an abbreviation that is not permitted on this forum.

It's very easy to be reactionary to this stuff, to say it's a bunch of politically-correct nonsense, but I think it's really as simple as giving a damn about other people's feelings.

I dont use the terms out of respect, my point is there is absolutely NO logic behind it.Its all sentimental BS.

I certainly hope we can all stop using the terms Brit, Pol, Aussie, etc too...they were all involved in WW2 as well, and thus should garner the same respect, no?
 
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