JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2
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Thanks for the advice.
I am playing through a Roland Blues Cube which is single channel, but it has master volume and a boost button - it's not really high gain overdrive channel, more bluesy crunch - hoping the super D will get some thick brown tones in that, plus I got my tube screamer and Plexi clones too. I tend to use those to colour the amp and let the amp break up.
But I just saw a set of dimarzio PAF 103s on gum tree for £30 - one of the leads looks chopped near the base... but that's not an issue. I think I can repair that. Tempting if they aren't sold before I get them.
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Thanks for the advice.
I am playing through a Roland Blues Cube which is single channel, but it has master volume and a boost button - it's not really high gain overdrive channel, more bluesy crunch - hoping the super D will get some thick brown tones in that, plus I got my tube screamer and Plexi clones too. I tend to use those to colour the amp and let the amp break up.
But I just saw a set of dimarzio PAF 103s on gum tree for £30 - one of the leads looks chopped near the base... but that's not an issue. I think I can repair that. Tempting if they aren't sold before I get them.
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Mr. B
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The Super/Super2 set would be a good bet for what you describe, but since you said, "So I am looking for that hot 70s brown sound - thick creamy highish gain with pronounced upper mids - the classic rock sound of pre master volume", I am going to suggest the CustomCustom Bridge and Pearly Gates Neck.
The Super/Super2 set would be a good bet for what you describe, but since you said, "So I am looking for that hot 70s brown sound - thick creamy highish gain with pronounced upper mids - the classic rock sound of pre master volume", I am going to suggest the CustomCustom Bridge and Pearly Gates Neck.
Joey Voltage
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The super is probably one of the most prolific ingredients for the 70's grind. however I would never accuse it of being strong in the upper mids, the amp would have more to do with that. It also can be a very dense sounding pickup, and actually works for a lot of modern playing too even though you rarely see it used for that. The super two I have zer experience with, but I assume it's close to an under wound PAF with a double thick ceramic mag, so it might have a clanky attack. the old DP103's are quite a bit different than the current dp103. They have a little bit more of a midrange presence (not much) than you would expect from something like the Duncan '59. the closest thing in Dimarzio's catalogue for this is the Air Classic. you could then just un-air it and it would be essentially an old dp103 if you wanted the extra bite.
The super is probably one of the most prolific ingredients for the 70's grind. however I would never accuse it of being strong in the upper mids, the amp would have more to do with that. It also can be a very dense sounding pickup, and actually works for a lot of modern playing too even though you rarely see it used for that. The super two I have zer experience with, but I assume it's close to an under wound PAF with a double thick ceramic mag, so it might have a clanky attack. the old DP103's are quite a bit different than the current dp103. They have a little bit more of a midrange presence (not much) than you would expect from something like the Duncan '59. the closest thing in Dimarzio's catalogue for this is the Air Classic. you could then just un-air it and it would be essentially an old dp103 if you wanted the extra bite.
vinnie1971
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JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2
I am thinking the super 2 is going to be very similar to a guitar I already have, my Cushin Gakki El Maya has Maxon pickups that seem to me clones of Super 2. Made in 1979, 8.2k bridge, 7.9k neck 12x14mm M5 hex bolts, double size ceramic. Very loud high gain very bright with pronounced upper mids and very little bass. Can be clanky when played clean in a fender black face, but in my Blues Cube sounds just right.
So I'd like something that is going to be able to cover that 70s rock sound while still have the ability to do mellow open sounds. Essentially combining the El Maya (which is a 70s rock beast) with my PAF equipped guitars.
A bright neck PAF humbucker with a thick bridge humbucker with s lot of mid range grind is what I am after and I am open minded about the super D -and whether its Ceramic or Alnico.
I love the PG - don't own one yet though but I know nothing about custom custom. Is that a high gain alnico 2 pickup? I'd like to hear some samples of that wearing flares and big collars
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I am thinking the super 2 is going to be very similar to a guitar I already have, my Cushin Gakki El Maya has Maxon pickups that seem to me clones of Super 2. Made in 1979, 8.2k bridge, 7.9k neck 12x14mm M5 hex bolts, double size ceramic. Very loud high gain very bright with pronounced upper mids and very little bass. Can be clanky when played clean in a fender black face, but in my Blues Cube sounds just right.
So I'd like something that is going to be able to cover that 70s rock sound while still have the ability to do mellow open sounds. Essentially combining the El Maya (which is a 70s rock beast) with my PAF equipped guitars.
A bright neck PAF humbucker with a thick bridge humbucker with s lot of mid range grind is what I am after and I am open minded about the super D -and whether its Ceramic or Alnico.
I love the PG - don't own one yet though but I know nothing about custom custom. Is that a high gain alnico 2 pickup? I'd like to hear some samples of that wearing flares and big collars
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vinnie1971
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I think you are right about the super 2. I have Maxon Super 2 clones in one of my guitars and it can be clanky especially in the bridge.
I nearly had my hands on 1980s DP103s but someone beat me to it.
Would you say the super D in a lester is going to be more lower mid and bass heavy? I could always put a small capacitor in line with the signal if it turns out to be to bass heavy.
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I think you are right about the super 2. I have Maxon Super 2 clones in one of my guitars and it can be clanky especially in the bridge.
I nearly had my hands on 1980s DP103s but someone beat me to it.
Would you say the super D in a lester is going to be more lower mid and bass heavy? I could always put a small capacitor in line with the signal if it turns out to be to bass heavy.
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vinnie1971
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Sentient, I don't know anything about that. Will look up some sound samples.
I have considered the PG....
I don't know the custom custom either. Is that focused in the upper mids?
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Sentient, I don't know anything about that. Will look up some sound samples.
I have considered the PG....
I don't know the custom custom either. Is that focused in the upper mids?
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gregory
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCMH2-nmrWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLfRvjjAwf0
Despite being marketed to the metal crowd as high-output, the Sentient is not a high-output pickup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCMH2-nmrWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLfRvjjAwf0
Despite being marketed to the metal crowd as high-output, the Sentient is not a high-output pickup.
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Joey Voltage
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Well that really depends. I don't perceive the pickup in it self as being super bassy like dimarzio implies with their tone chart, it just is thick and has body, and it certainly doesn't have a loose woofy bass, which is what you would be mostly concerned about in a lester. It's sometimes hard to really describe a pickups sound using a three band eq reference because a pickups eq curve isn't similar at all. I wouldn't really say that the pickup in itself has a ton of low mids more than high mids don't seem to be as accentuated.
Countless people from the era that you are trying to go after used them in lesters, or other big tree trunk gibby's like explorers. your amp is also going to play a more significant role in the final outcome, so I wouldn't worry too much about the tone chart specs.
Well that really depends. I don't perceive the pickup in it self as being super bassy like dimarzio implies with their tone chart, it just is thick and has body, and it certainly doesn't have a loose woofy bass, which is what you would be mostly concerned about in a lester. It's sometimes hard to really describe a pickups sound using a three band eq reference because a pickups eq curve isn't similar at all. I wouldn't really say that the pickup in itself has a ton of low mids more than high mids don't seem to be as accentuated.
Countless people from the era that you are trying to go after used them in lesters, or other big tree trunk gibby's like explorers. your amp is also going to play a more significant role in the final outcome, so I wouldn't worry too much about the tone chart specs.
vinnie1971
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Thanks people for all your help. I love this forum, everyone is helpful even when not talking Seymour Duncan.
I think I am almost set on super D in the bridge, PAF pro I the neck or maybe super 2?
I don't play metal but like dirty 70s rock sound. I really dig the tone Rick Derringer got and Earl Slick's super D tone.
So just deciding on the neck now.
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Thanks people for all your help. I love this forum, everyone is helpful even when not talking Seymour Duncan.
I think I am almost set on super D in the bridge, PAF pro I the neck or maybe super 2?
I don't play metal but like dirty 70s rock sound. I really dig the tone Rick Derringer got and Earl Slick's super D tone.
So just deciding on the neck now.
Nothing happens over on the dimarzio forum other than tumbleweed!
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gregory
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How aggressive do you want your rock sound?
Do you use a lot of distortion in the neck either for heavy rhythm or screaming lead? If so, is one more important than another? Do you want more of an all-purpose pickup that does nice rhythm, lead and nice clean, but doesn't do any one thing as well as a more dedicated pickup? Is pristine clean important? If so, how much body? How much punch? How bright? How deep?
The answers to these questions will go a long way in deciding whether you want a Super-2. "I want '70s" is just painfully vague. All sorts of music was being played in the '70s by people wearing all sorts of clothes.
Keep in mind that there is no rule that says you can't successfully pair a Duncan humbucker in the neck with a Super-D in the bridge, if you're truly set on a Super-D.
How aggressive do you want your rock sound?
Do you use a lot of distortion in the neck either for heavy rhythm or screaming lead? If so, is one more important than another? Do you want more of an all-purpose pickup that does nice rhythm, lead and nice clean, but doesn't do any one thing as well as a more dedicated pickup? Is pristine clean important? If so, how much body? How much punch? How bright? How deep?
The answers to these questions will go a long way in deciding whether you want a Super-2. "I want '70s" is just painfully vague. All sorts of music was being played in the '70s by people wearing all sorts of clothes.
Keep in mind that there is no rule that says you can't successfully pair a Duncan humbucker in the neck with a Super-D in the bridge, if you're truly set on a Super-D.
vinnie1971
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JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2
Hi
Good points. The neck needs good cleans clarity and depth with some mid range girth without getting woofy or woolly. It would be used for rhythm too.
I don't use too much gain. Here are s couple of samples of the sound I get from my El Maya which has Maxon clones of Super 2 ( the clean rhythm is a strat) - I have left it instrumental so you can here all the tones.
The El Maya is bridge pickup with gain on 3 on my old Marshall MG 30 CD R ( no longer own this amp, sold it to get my Blues Cube - which can achieve a similar tone profile) no effects on the dirty guitar, just the high gain pickup pushing the amp with moderate gain. These pickups are very bright so the treble is dialled back a lot on the amp and rolled off on the guitar a bit too.
I prefer getting my higher gain sounds this way than with power output pickups and pedals. They just don't sound the same.
I am hoping the super D will give me a thicker creamier tone.
https://soundcloud.com/vinnie-irvine/cant-get-out-of-the-house
https://soundcloud.com/vinnie-irvine/get-me-into-country-alt-mix-1
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How aggressive do you want your rock sound?
Do you use a lot of distortion in the neck either for heavy rhythm or screaming lead? If so, is one more important than another? Do you want more of an all-purpose pickup that does nice rhythm, lead and nice clean, but doesn't do any one thing as well as a more dedicated pickup? Is pristine clean important? If so, how much body? How much punch? How bright? How deep?
The answers to these questions will go a long way in deciding whether you want a Super-2. "I want '70s" is just painfully vague. All sorts of music was being played in the '70s by people wearing all sorts of clothes.
Keep in mind that there is no rule that says you can't successfully pair a Duncan humbucker in the neck with a Super-D in the bridge, if you're truly set on a Super-D.
Hi
Good points. The neck needs good cleans clarity and depth with some mid range girth without getting woofy or woolly. It would be used for rhythm too.
I don't use too much gain. Here are s couple of samples of the sound I get from my El Maya which has Maxon clones of Super 2 ( the clean rhythm is a strat) - I have left it instrumental so you can here all the tones.
The El Maya is bridge pickup with gain on 3 on my old Marshall MG 30 CD R ( no longer own this amp, sold it to get my Blues Cube - which can achieve a similar tone profile) no effects on the dirty guitar, just the high gain pickup pushing the amp with moderate gain. These pickups are very bright so the treble is dialled back a lot on the amp and rolled off on the guitar a bit too.
I prefer getting my higher gain sounds this way than with power output pickups and pedals. They just don't sound the same.
I am hoping the super D will give me a thicker creamier tone.
https://soundcloud.com/vinnie-irvine/cant-get-out-of-the-house
https://soundcloud.com/vinnie-irvine/get-me-into-country-alt-mix-1
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Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2
I wanted to know about the paf pro/superD & superD/super2 pairing some months back for a cr250 cort. I had finalised on getting the super2 to go with the superD I had but it would take months to get any confirmation from my distributor, so.... I had a sh1 59n lying around waiting to get rid off & remembering how that combo had sounded previously in my korean prs custom, I decided to try it out. Well, I liked it so much that I didn't bother getting new neck pu lol I might have had something to add otherwise.
Anyways, coming back, the superd sounds closest like this in my cr250, its thick but dynamic too as long its like ~3mm away from the strings.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cCU5H3nWuLs
I wanted to know about the paf pro/superD & superD/super2 pairing some months back for a cr250 cort. I had finalised on getting the super2 to go with the superD I had but it would take months to get any confirmation from my distributor, so.... I had a sh1 59n lying around waiting to get rid off & remembering how that combo had sounded previously in my korean prs custom, I decided to try it out. Well, I liked it so much that I didn't bother getting new neck pu lol I might have had something to add otherwise.
Anyways, coming back, the superd sounds closest like this in my cr250, its thick but dynamic too as long its like ~3mm away from the strings.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cCU5H3nWuLs
vinnie1971
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Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2
That tone sounds good, nice song too.
I like how the super D does not have to just hit the amp hard but can do pretty gentle laid back tones there. That's fine then, that's the sound I am after for the bridge!
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That tone sounds good, nice song too.
I like how the super D does not have to just hit the amp hard but can do pretty gentle laid back tones there. That's fine then, that's the sound I am after for the bridge!
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Joey Voltage
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Yeah not at all, the super d is a weird pickup in that regard. with mild overdrive it can be super creamy for a ceramic pu. I have an old un-potted one from the 70's that I'll never part with. Have you listened to any of the clips on dimarzio's site?
Yeah not at all, the super d is a weird pickup in that regard. with mild overdrive it can be super creamy for a ceramic pu. I have an old un-potted one from the 70's that I'll never part with. Have you listened to any of the clips on dimarzio's site?
vinnie1971
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JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2
Yes, and then lots more on YouTube.
I am decided, after all the inputs and recommendations as well as reviews, demos and sound clips, the tone in my head is a super distortion bridge and PAF pro neck [emoji1360]
I cannot believe I posted a similar thread over on the dimarzio forum and not a single response, so thanks all.
This will be my first dimarzio set, I have Duncan's, Gibsons, Fender, boutique hand wound and vintage Maxon Super 2 clones.... can't wait !
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Yes, and then lots more on YouTube.
I am decided, after all the inputs and recommendations as well as reviews, demos and sound clips, the tone in my head is a super distortion bridge and PAF pro neck [emoji1360]
I cannot believe I posted a similar thread over on the dimarzio forum and not a single response, so thanks all.
This will be my first dimarzio set, I have Duncan's, Gibsons, Fender, boutique hand wound and vintage Maxon Super 2 clones.... can't wait !
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gregory
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I was going to say that the Super 2 just didn't seem like a good choice.
PAF Pro for something more modern and full, PAF Joe or Sentient for a little more vintage, PG for something classic. The PAF Pro has a great split sound, as does the PG. I'm not as sure about the other two, but they have things working in their favor for a good split sound. If you don't wish to split, I recommend '50s wiring for the neck with a 500k linear taper volume and 500k audio taper for the tone. All will work great for a single-channel amp, dialed to clip when pushed.
I was going to say that the Super 2 just didn't seem like a good choice.
PAF Pro for something more modern and full, PAF Joe or Sentient for a little more vintage, PG for something classic. The PAF Pro has a great split sound, as does the PG. I'm not as sure about the other two, but they have things working in their favor for a good split sound. If you don't wish to split, I recommend '50s wiring for the neck with a 500k linear taper volume and 500k audio taper for the tone. All will work great for a single-channel amp, dialed to clip when pushed.
vinnie1971
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I toy with the idea of using something like this to get series, parallel, inner/ outer coils, but then I have guitars already that can do that as well as Teles and strats so I might keep it simple... not decided yet. Definitely will use 50s wiring, I love it unless the pickups are bright then I use modern wiring with lower value pots.
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I toy with the idea of using something like this to get series, parallel, inner/ outer coils, but then I have guitars already that can do that as well as Teles and strats so I might keep it simple... not decided yet. Definitely will use 50s wiring, I love it unless the pickups are bright then I use modern wiring with lower value pots.
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