Jimmy Page Wiring !!! Questions ?

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not.quite.slash

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Hails might guitar heroes ... it's been a time since my last time ... but here we go ! I decided to do the JP Wiring on my Epi LP, to get that tonal diversit the wiring gives you ... But i still don't know what i need for ...

Would it be push-pull pots on all controls ? or those little 3-way switches ... and what are the diferent sounds i will be able to make with this wiring scheme ... and one more thing ... I have the Gibson JP wiring schematic ... but its kind of confuse and hard to figure out by my self ... Does anyone have a good wiring schematic to send me ? andremp5@hotmail.com ... plz ...

Thank You ... have a good night !
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring !!! Questions ?

guitarelectronics.com Jimmy Page wiring diagram DOES NOT match the Gibson schematic (and also has some shorted out dead positions for some switch combinations).

I have a wiring diagram of Gibson's schematic I drew up somewhere. I will post it if I find it. I never performed the full on exact Gibson wiring because it also has dead positions.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring !!! Questions ?

i'm sure i've seen the correct wiring posted up here (by Artie, maybe). Try "Page wiring" in the search forum function, and see what you come up with. As for the usefulness of the sounds...what kind of music do you want to play (outside of Zeppelin)? I've tried a few of them, and you have a ton of options with 2 humbucker and some push/pulls.
 
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+1 on doing a forum search. There's a ton of stuff here on that-maybe check the archives also.
 
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I can tell you guys the GUITAR ELECTRONICS.com schematic is MESSY. It works, but you will have a messy guitar inside. Better to get someone who knows how to do it neatly or you will regret it, esp when doing pup changes. get it done professionally unless you are an ace.

It IS 4 push pulls, and it's one of the most useful things I have ever done to an LP. It is truly brilliant. Allowed me to take my LP on everything from country to Metal gigs.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring !!! Questions ?

Olin, how would you describe the neck in series with bridge sound? That's one i haven't tried. Also, have you found reverse phase very useful? I found it awful tinny, like a transistor radio, but then again I hear Peter Green made alot of use of the tone (maybe i didn't have mine wired quite right).
 
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Ahh, after a little research, found out the Peter Green mod is magnetic, not wired in like Page's, so not quite the same.
 
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I'm not even sure where I found the Gibson schematic, but make sure to use that one. I did my Epi with that schematic and I'm really glad I did. The best part about it is that when all the pots are in it looks and functions like stock. Start pulling pots and as Olin said, you get everything from country to metal.

Yeti, the series connection for N+B is only useful to me with the pickups split, or out of phase (or both). Otherwise it's too muddy.
 
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This thread has got my soldering juices flowing again...not a pleasant image, i know. I'm curious about giving the out of phase another whack.
As far as the original post, maybe they fixed the guitarelectronics diagram? It seemed to work for Olin. Plus, I would heed his warning about getting it done by a pro; the inside of my LP's cavity looks like multi-colored spaghetti, but it works. Next time i will seriously consider printing out the diagram i want and giving the headache to someone else :).
If you really want to learn this stuff, not.quite.slash, i'd suggest trying one mod at a time. Split your neck coils, or bridge. Get your head around what your doing to alter the signal, and see what you like. Then sit down to figure out your own "master plan".
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring !!! Questions ?

There is a thread out here somehwereon the Peter Green mod. You flip the magnet in the bridge pup. It only gets that really thin sound when the volumes are match exactly. I am going to have it done. i have the audio taper CTS pots, so it should be even more versatile. Don't knock that "thin" sound. Listen to the first few cuts on the Chicago album.....great stuff. and the mod doesn't effect the tone of the pickups when they run alone.
 
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To be honest, when i had the out of phase wiring, i still had Kent Armstrong pickups in. I'm sure with Duncans, I'd get a much better sound. I'm actually think of flipping my neck mag :).
 
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Neck in SERIES with Bridge in Series?

I usually find the middle position with the NECK in parallel and the Bridge fully active to be a great way to flip fast from lead to a clear and thinner rhythm tone. LPs tend to sound a little clearer in the middle position since they are kinda dark compared to sayyyy a Strat.

The phase position is not as tinny as you think. how you balance your tones and VOL (most important) changes the tone immensely. It's got usefulness in that hey, you got a built in extra sund you can pull out when needed. It's not all that useful, but hey, why not have it?

As far as peter green, hey it's not that different a tone using the JP wiring. When you listen back to a lot of zep, esp live, you say to yourself WOW he was using this wiring, no wonder he got soooo many sounds. That and that fact he is Pagey.
 
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Olin,
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the Guitarelectronics diagram is showing, but it has "Neck in Series w/ Bridge" listed as the neck tone's push/pull. It looks like it connects the South End of the neck to the North Start of the bridge...turning the whole guitar into one big 4 coil pickup?!! :smack: Am I tracing my way thru that wrong or what? I guess the simple thing is to ask you what happened to your sound when you pulled that knob? That's the one mod in the diagram that I never understood.
 
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BTW, did the magnet flip, and if the sound is similar with wiring, that is a very cool tone (with Duncans). Sounds good for a little funk intro or whatever...much more defined then the "noise" i got with Kent Armstrongs.
Hope this isn't getting too far off the original post...just trying to get some descriptions of the various sounds out there.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring !!! Questions ?

I tried it and found myself playing in the three stock positions.
So then I wired it for phase switching and coil taps for both pickups. Still found myself not using those either, so I bought four CTS pots and wired my Les Paul 50s style. YMMV.
 
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I stay away from the Guitar Electronics JP schematics. They have/had a couple of versions and if I remember correctly all had some issue or another, usually caused by funky wiring at the neck tone push pull or by wiring around a 3 way switch that does not have seperate output terminals for both sides of the switch, as the Switchcrafts do.

The neck and bridge pickups in series have a somewhat fatter tone and slightly hotter output when compared to just the bridge pickup alone. The series thing is more useful with the HBs split to get a somewhat "Stratty" sound.

The phased tone is cool and JP did go there once in awhile, but if you use both the bridge and neck pickups out of phase and add a Wa pedal about 1/2 ****ed you'll really get all over one of his classic live tones.

Check it out.....
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring !!! Questions ?

Tried the wah pedal trick. Wow! A whole new palette going on there. Thanks for the tip :).
 
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Yes, I agreed with that EARLIER

DO NOT USE THE GUITAR ELECTRONICS SCHEME, you will barely get it to work and you guitar will look quite messy inside. I had to have mine redone by a pro tech.
 
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