Joyo US Dream
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MetalManiac
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Re: Joyo US Dream
IMHO, all those cheap Chinese pedals are junk, and they sound like crap and they are built to break, with sub standard compononts and pilfered hacked engineering. Generally the same guys that tout these cruddy pedals play through low budget chinese amps and guitars, and claim there is no difference in sound from high quality stuff and their junk. Just an opinion folks, you are free to disagree without getting hostile or making it personal.
Its one thing if thats all you can afford , and I copngratulate you on your Joyo, but lets not say they are of equal tone to the pedals some of us have spent hundreds of U.S. dollars on, with mil-spec compononts and state of the art engineering.
Lose the Joyo and save your money and grab a solid pedal.Somthing like this for instance, about just 3 times the price, would be so far above and beyond the caliber of a Joyo, that its not even funny;
IMHO, all those cheap Chinese pedals are junk, and they sound like crap and they are built to break, with sub standard compononts and pilfered hacked engineering. Generally the same guys that tout these cruddy pedals play through low budget chinese amps and guitars, and claim there is no difference in sound from high quality stuff and their junk. Just an opinion folks, you are free to disagree without getting hostile or making it personal.
Its one thing if thats all you can afford , and I copngratulate you on your Joyo, but lets not say they are of equal tone to the pedals some of us have spent hundreds of U.S. dollars on, with mil-spec compononts and state of the art engineering.
Lose the Joyo and save your money and grab a solid pedal.Somthing like this for instance, about just 3 times the price, would be so far above and beyond the caliber of a Joyo, that its not even funny;
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the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Joyo US Dream
I have not tried it but I have to say those Joyo pedals are just plain old cheap junk.
It might sound good...hell, it might sound great but the quality in build and in parts simply can not be there for $35...
You get what you pay for.
I have not tried it but I have to say those Joyo pedals are just plain old cheap junk.
It might sound good...hell, it might sound great but the quality in build and in parts simply can not be there for $35...
You get what you pay for.
Matt42
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Re: Joyo US Dream
Maybe the build quality isn't 100% up to the level of the American made counterparts, but the sound sure is. I've A/B'ed several different Joyo and Mooer pedals with their progenitors (the Riot, Sweet Honey, TS9, and OCD) and the sound is pretty much the same. And for $35, I can wear out 4-6 of them before spending what I would have spent on just one of the boutique pedals. For most people, it just makes a lot more sense.
And as far as their durability goes, I've had to warranty two MXR pedals in the one year that I've owned my Joyo Sweet Baby.
Maybe the build quality isn't 100% up to the level of the American made counterparts, but the sound sure is. I've A/B'ed several different Joyo and Mooer pedals with their progenitors (the Riot, Sweet Honey, TS9, and OCD) and the sound is pretty much the same. And for $35, I can wear out 4-6 of them before spending what I would have spent on just one of the boutique pedals. For most people, it just makes a lot more sense.
And as far as their durability goes, I've had to warranty two MXR pedals in the one year that I've owned my Joyo Sweet Baby.
AudioWonderland
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dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: Joyo US Dream
Of course I was.
For those that are unaware, Freekish Blues got really popular for a few months selling pedals, even got Dweezil Zappa's endorsement.
They were repainting Joyo Ultimate Drive pedals and selling them in the $200 price range.
Of course I was.
For those that are unaware, Freekish Blues got really popular for a few months selling pedals, even got Dweezil Zappa's endorsement.
They were repainting Joyo Ultimate Drive pedals and selling them in the $200 price range.
MasterKtulu
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Re: Joyo US Dream
I just got one (Love it by the way), and mine is not any noisier than my Crunch Box...
I just got one (Love it by the way), and mine is not any noisier than my Crunch Box...
Diego
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Re: Joyo US Dream
I'm surprised by the noise complaints here. I use mine extensively with single coils and the gain past half, and it's not noisy unless I'm too close to the amp or something.
Other than that, it's not worse than my Metal Muff or my Jackhammer. But it sounds better than both.
I'm surprised by the noise complaints here. I use mine extensively with single coils and the gain past half, and it's not noisy unless I'm too close to the amp or something.
Other than that, it's not worse than my Metal Muff or my Jackhammer. But it sounds better than both.
jimijames
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I agree that military-spec stuff is more durable than the cheap components that go into the $35 pedals, but most of the people you play in front of as a guitarist isn't going to know whether the pedal you're using is 'transparent' or what have you. They just want you to make sweet ass guitar sounds with your music stick.
As far as lighter distortion pedals - I've experimented with the 'high grade' stuff - things like MA856 and germanium diodes, the Burr Brown op-amps, etc. I've used Elna capacitors which are supposedly some of the best audiophile-grade caps. Well, some of the best that don't cost hundreds of dollars per capacitor.
I've built BYOC kits, which are loaded with good components (E.S.V. fuzz, their Wah kit, treble booster, etc.) and even some GGG circuits whose components aren't as great but the kits are a lot more affordable (Marshall Bluesbreaker copy pedal, Way Huge Red Llama distortion clone).
I've also heard some of these cheap Chinese pedals (most notably the bad monkey and w/e danelectro copy of the OCD that was in the silver box, and the other cool cat pedal which was gold colored instead of silver) and they're close enough that if I didn't enjoy messing with pedals I would definitely just go ahead and get one of those.
The only problem I really have with the cheapo pedals is the SMD components. If my SD-1 breaks I can go down to radio shack and buy new parts for it and have it running again in as long as it takes to heat up my soldering iron, but I don't have the dexterity to fix those tiny little SMD components.
I agree that military-spec stuff is more durable than the cheap components that go into the $35 pedals, but most of the people you play in front of as a guitarist isn't going to know whether the pedal you're using is 'transparent' or what have you. They just want you to make sweet ass guitar sounds with your music stick.
As far as lighter distortion pedals - I've experimented with the 'high grade' stuff - things like MA856 and germanium diodes, the Burr Brown op-amps, etc. I've used Elna capacitors which are supposedly some of the best audiophile-grade caps. Well, some of the best that don't cost hundreds of dollars per capacitor.
I've built BYOC kits, which are loaded with good components (E.S.V. fuzz, their Wah kit, treble booster, etc.) and even some GGG circuits whose components aren't as great but the kits are a lot more affordable (Marshall Bluesbreaker copy pedal, Way Huge Red Llama distortion clone).
I've also heard some of these cheap Chinese pedals (most notably the bad monkey and w/e danelectro copy of the OCD that was in the silver box, and the other cool cat pedal which was gold colored instead of silver) and they're close enough that if I didn't enjoy messing with pedals I would definitely just go ahead and get one of those.
The only problem I really have with the cheapo pedals is the SMD components. If my SD-1 breaks I can go down to radio shack and buy new parts for it and have it running again in as long as it takes to heat up my soldering iron, but I don't have the dexterity to fix those tiny little SMD components.
Matt42
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Re: Joyo US Dream
I can agree with this sentiment. One of the MXR warranties I had to do was because an SMD part failed, and even my normal go to guy couldn't fix it. He had to send it back to MXR (and they sent me a new one without charging me a dime, which was awesome). I'm afraid of this problem with my Mooers.
One more thing on this, then I'll drop it. People who are to into having "the best" gear seem to forget that most of your tone comes from your fingers, pick attack and touch. I play a Squier Vintage Modified Tele, I have two Joyo's and three Mooers, and either play a Mesa DC-5 or a '68 Fender Bassman. I get compliments on my tone at pretty much every show. Compliments from older guitar players who have been around a while, and from younger players still trying to find their own sound. And honestly, I'm not planning on replacing any of my pedals any time soon. The first one to get replaced will probably be the MXR Dyna Comp (will replace with an Wampler Ego Comp). The pickups in the Tele will likely stay, too, at least for a while (they are Duncan Designeds). The first thing I want to replace is my amp situation. Partially because neither amp actually belongs to me (they belong to my g/f), but also because I'm just not 100% happy with either of them. The "cheap chinese" junk pedals and guitar that I have wont be going anywhere soon, and I'll keep getting great sounds out of them.
I can agree with this sentiment. One of the MXR warranties I had to do was because an SMD part failed, and even my normal go to guy couldn't fix it. He had to send it back to MXR (and they sent me a new one without charging me a dime, which was awesome). I'm afraid of this problem with my Mooers.
One more thing on this, then I'll drop it. People who are to into having "the best" gear seem to forget that most of your tone comes from your fingers, pick attack and touch. I play a Squier Vintage Modified Tele, I have two Joyo's and three Mooers, and either play a Mesa DC-5 or a '68 Fender Bassman. I get compliments on my tone at pretty much every show. Compliments from older guitar players who have been around a while, and from younger players still trying to find their own sound. And honestly, I'm not planning on replacing any of my pedals any time soon. The first one to get replaced will probably be the MXR Dyna Comp (will replace with an Wampler Ego Comp). The pickups in the Tele will likely stay, too, at least for a while (they are Duncan Designeds). The first thing I want to replace is my amp situation. Partially because neither amp actually belongs to me (they belong to my g/f), but also because I'm just not 100% happy with either of them. The "cheap chinese" junk pedals and guitar that I have wont be going anywhere soon, and I'll keep getting great sounds out of them.
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Agileguy_101
Master of his Domain
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There's nothing wrong with not being able to afford the pedals yours are clones of. I can afford to support American businesses and ingenuity, so I do. I'd rather do that then send my money to chinese companies. The way I see it, when I buy a pedal from Foxrox, Analogman, Strymon, etc, my money stays in this country and helps to put dinner on the plates of small business people and their famalies. I'm also showing big chinese companies that I don't support their practices, which I don't.
I hear a bunch of people complaining about jobs being shipped overseas, or how American companies are being undercut by Chinese/Indonesian/Korean/etc manufacturers. Supporting companies like Joyo and Mooer is part of the problem. Buying from Basic Audio, PaulC, Mojo Hand, INFANEM, et al is part of the solution.
There's nothing wrong with not being able to afford the pedals yours are clones of. I can afford to support American businesses and ingenuity, so I do. I'd rather do that then send my money to chinese companies. The way I see it, when I buy a pedal from Foxrox, Analogman, Strymon, etc, my money stays in this country and helps to put dinner on the plates of small business people and their famalies. I'm also showing big chinese companies that I don't support their practices, which I don't.
I hear a bunch of people complaining about jobs being shipped overseas, or how American companies are being undercut by Chinese/Indonesian/Korean/etc manufacturers. Supporting companies like Joyo and Mooer is part of the problem. Buying from Basic Audio, PaulC, Mojo Hand, INFANEM, et al is part of the solution.
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Matt42
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Re: Joyo US Dream
This is one of the very few arguments against the Chinese clones that I can accept. I ameliorate that by trying to make sure that the companies that I do the actual purchase from are US companies. That way at least some of the money is staying over here.
The sound and construction quality arguments don't hold much water in my book.
This is one of the very few arguments against the Chinese clones that I can accept. I ameliorate that by trying to make sure that the companies that I do the actual purchase from are US companies. That way at least some of the money is staying over here.
The sound and construction quality arguments don't hold much water in my book.
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: Joyo US Dream
Again - when a dirt box with $12 worth of parts costs $350 - the problem is NOT the Chinese.
Here is a tip; When American car makers made the same thing as the Japanese - and the Japanese cost less, we stopped buying American cars too. eventually the Joyo/Mooer will be BETTER and cost less.
Again - when a dirt box with $12 worth of parts costs $350 - the problem is NOT the Chinese.
Here is a tip; When American car makers made the same thing as the Japanese - and the Japanese cost less, we stopped buying American cars too. eventually the Joyo/Mooer will be BETTER and cost less.
Phantasmagoria
watch where you point that sabre
Re: Joyo US Dream
I'm all for Chinese stuff personally...sure in the case of pedals/guitars, the US made ones are built a bit better/more solid. But that does'nt justify the exhorbitant price difference to me. I'd rather adjust a truss rod and file down some fret ends than buy a $300+ pedal or $3000+ guitar that sounds plays almost identically to it's $35/ $300 counterpart (if you don't count hair-splitting). Since I'm neither American nor Chinese, patriotism is'nt an issue. Nor is cork-sniffery.. So my opinion just comes down to good sense/practicality...nothing more.
As far as Chinese Amps go...I think they're downright brilliant...and not just for their price.
I'm all for Chinese stuff personally...sure in the case of pedals/guitars, the US made ones are built a bit better/more solid. But that does'nt justify the exhorbitant price difference to me. I'd rather adjust a truss rod and file down some fret ends than buy a $300+ pedal or $3000+ guitar that sounds plays almost identically to it's $35/ $300 counterpart (if you don't count hair-splitting). Since I'm neither American nor Chinese, patriotism is'nt an issue. Nor is cork-sniffery.. So my opinion just comes down to good sense/practicality...nothing more.
As far as Chinese Amps go...I think they're downright brilliant...and not just for their price.
