dmandude123455
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I was listening to Killing Is my Business and I noticed that the solos sound.....weird. I don't know if it's the production or what but it's been really bugging me. Anyone care to share with the class what's up with it?
Killing Is My Business Lead tones
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dmandude123455
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Oh, so then why do the solos sound so....tinny? I dont know how to put it :|
Oh, so then why do the solos sound so....tinny? I dont know how to put it :|
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Are you listening to the original or remaster version? The original is unlistenable to me. The remaster is much better but still kinda squealy. They had almost no budget and snorted and injected most if anyway. Very low budget recording and production. The remaster fixed a bunch of stuff but it is what it is.
Are you listening to the original or remaster version? The original is unlistenable to me. The remaster is much better but still kinda squealy. They had almost no budget and snorted and injected most if anyway. Very low budget recording and production. The remaster fixed a bunch of stuff but it is what it is.
DankStar
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I've heard demos done on 4 and 8 track decks with better production, but they at least got their ideas down. The leads sound as weird as everything else, althought the vocals weren't too bad considering.
For the guitars in the beginning of Looking Down the Cross, I read an article where Dave said he was trying to replicate the sound of a submarine he heard on TV.
This guy mentions it (text describing his clip) and attempts to play it, hehe. He must have read the article, lol.
I've heard demos done on 4 and 8 track decks with better production, but they at least got their ideas down. The leads sound as weird as everything else, althought the vocals weren't too bad considering.
For the guitars in the beginning of Looking Down the Cross, I read an article where Dave said he was trying to replicate the sound of a submarine he heard on TV.
This guy mentions it (text describing his clip) and attempts to play it, hehe. He must have read the article, lol.
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I listened to that album a couple of days ago (the original) and dont remember thinking anything bad about the solos, all I remember is thinking (as always) how great that was for a debut album. The best debut album of the big 4 IMO.
I listened to that album a couple of days ago (the original) and dont remember thinking anything bad about the solos, all I remember is thinking (as always) how great that was for a debut album. The best debut album of the big 4 IMO.
El Dunco
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I don't like the remasters and I'm not being elitist, nostalgic or a fanboy. The drums sound strange and out of place. Especially the cymbals. I noticed for the remaster of Rust In Peace, some of the performances are different (overdubs? different takes?) and in some cases the originals are much better. Give me the original vocal takes for Take No Prisoners over the remasters any day.
There are some things you just can't fix and trying to digitally polish over So Far So Good and Killing didn't do much but upset the balance (like drums being too loud) and drop some of the power that came with the rawness.
I don't like the remasters and I'm not being elitist, nostalgic or a fanboy. The drums sound strange and out of place. Especially the cymbals. I noticed for the remaster of Rust In Peace, some of the performances are different (overdubs? different takes?) and in some cases the originals are much better. Give me the original vocal takes for Take No Prisoners over the remasters any day.
There are some things you just can't fix and trying to digitally polish over So Far So Good and Killing didn't do much but upset the balance (like drums being too loud) and drop some of the power that came with the rawness.
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Killing Is My Business needed to be remastered. It was a mess in it's original form. I thought the initial remaster of Peace Sells was great. Dave recently remastered it again and it just sounds louder to me. The first remaster sounds fuller and as far as I know he didn't overdub or rerecord anything.
The other remasters, he pulled a George Lucas. He changed, rerecorded and overdubbed a lot of stuff. Supposedly this was due to how those albums were originally recorded but there are spots where you can hear he dropped levels on solos for guitar and bass, rerecorded vocals and so on. That first set of remasters, short of KIMB and PSBWB, are awful.
Killing Is My Business needed to be remastered. It was a mess in it's original form. I thought the initial remaster of Peace Sells was great. Dave recently remastered it again and it just sounds louder to me. The first remaster sounds fuller and as far as I know he didn't overdub or rerecord anything.
The other remasters, he pulled a George Lucas. He changed, rerecorded and overdubbed a lot of stuff. Supposedly this was due to how those albums were originally recorded but there are spots where you can hear he dropped levels on solos for guitar and bass, rerecorded vocals and so on. That first set of remasters, short of KIMB and PSBWB, are awful.
sosomething
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I hated the Rust remaster. Dave replaced all the gang vocals by the band and crew with his own voice and did unpleasant things to the drums. Totally killed the vibe of the original recording, which didn't need remastering in the first place.
I hated the Rust remaster. Dave replaced all the gang vocals by the band and crew with his own voice and did unpleasant things to the drums. Totally killed the vibe of the original recording, which didn't need remastering in the first place.
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Countdown was the same way. He actually made it sound worse. Countdown's original version was crystal freaking clear, sparkling even. He muddied up the sound and played games with different pieces of the songs.
Countdown was the same way. He actually made it sound worse. Countdown's original version was crystal freaking clear, sparkling even. He muddied up the sound and played games with different pieces of the songs.
sosomething
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I have the distinct pleasure of never having heard the remaster of Countdown. The very idea is offensive to me. The original production of that record is flawless. It's one of the albums I point to as an example of timeless, natural, great-sounding production value.
I have the distinct pleasure of never having heard the remaster of Countdown. The very idea is offensive to me. The original production of that record is flawless. It's one of the albums I point to as an example of timeless, natural, great-sounding production value.
fretburner
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I have the remasters of RIP and CFI. I don't think they were that bad and I did like that the bass was more "present".
I still need to buy me the remaster for KIMB.
I have the remasters of RIP and CFI. I don't think they were that bad and I did like that the bass was more "present".
I still need to buy me the remaster for KIMB.
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When those remasters came out I wondered how in the world they could improve on Countdown. They didn't obviously. The only remasters I kept were KIMB and PSBWB. The rest got sold.
What is CFI?
When those remasters came out I wondered how in the world they could improve on Countdown. They didn't obviously. The only remasters I kept were KIMB and PSBWB. The rest got sold.
What is CFI?
sosomething
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KIMB and PSBWB benefited from a second go. Those albums are great but the original treatments are almost unlistenable to me half the time.
Countdown For Ixtinction?
KIMB and PSBWB benefited from a second go. Those albums are great but the original treatments are almost unlistenable to me half the time.
Countdown For Ixtinction?
DankStar
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no way! why on earth would he have done that, out of spite? that's a moment in time that can't be replicated. If it was all jacked up, maybe, but it wasn't!
no way! why on earth would he have done that, out of spite? that's a moment in time that can't be replicated. If it was all jacked up, maybe, but it wasn't!
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His reasoning was that the original recordings for the albums weren't tracked properly. Vocals mixed into drum tracks and guitars and bass together... basically he said he couldn't separate all the different parts to remaster them so he had to rerecord certain things.
I say he was channeling Mr. Lucas. How could all the albums but KIMB and PSBWB need to redone that way? He also has a history beyond those remasters of saying the current album was what he had always wanted to record and all the stuff before was **** or sub par. He also has at least one other song he's redone to make it better (A Toute Le Monde).
SFSGSW he said he made it sound like he had originally. A lot places where bass was prevalent, he mixed it down almost like he was getting back at Ellefson for their fued.
He should pull those remasters off the market and just let the originals be.
His reasoning was that the original recordings for the albums weren't tracked properly. Vocals mixed into drum tracks and guitars and bass together... basically he said he couldn't separate all the different parts to remaster them so he had to rerecord certain things.
I say he was channeling Mr. Lucas. How could all the albums but KIMB and PSBWB need to redone that way? He also has a history beyond those remasters of saying the current album was what he had always wanted to record and all the stuff before was **** or sub par. He also has at least one other song he's redone to make it better (A Toute Le Monde).
SFSGSW he said he made it sound like he had originally. A lot places where bass was prevalent, he mixed it down almost like he was getting back at Ellefson for their fued.
He should pull those remasters off the market and just let the originals be.
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Definitely. I could never get through KIMB's original release and never listened to the whole thing until its remaster in 2002. It was always the album I left out of rotation. I didn't even own it until 1998 or 1999. Peace Sells was good in my book though. Coulda used some work but I dug it.
Silly me
Definitely. I could never get through KIMB's original release and never listened to the whole thing until its remaster in 2002. It was always the album I left out of rotation. I didn't even own it until 1998 or 1999. Peace Sells was good in my book though. Coulda used some work but I dug it.
Silly me
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+1 to both these.
I also really liked the original production on Peace Sells. All you gotta do is crank it, and it sounds friggin amazing.
But KIMB, both the orig. and remaster, I cannot listen to, which is sad, because I like the songs, but I absolutely loathe the production.
+1 to both these.
I also really liked the original production on Peace Sells. All you gotta do is crank it, and it sounds friggin amazing.
But KIMB, both the orig. and remaster, I cannot listen to, which is sad, because I like the songs, but I absolutely loathe the production.
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