Kramer guitars... Love em.....
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Chistopher
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So adjusting for inflation you spent like $99 in today's money?
So adjusting for inflation you spent like $99 in today's money?
muttznmongrelz
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I agree! Look what Fender has done with Charvel...Gibson could take the same approach with the Kramer Brand.
I agree! Look what Fender has done with Charvel...Gibson could take the same approach with the Kramer Brand.
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Sirion
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Is there any difference in the quality between these and the American necks? I have yet to get my hands on one of these.
Is there any difference in the quality between these and the American necks? I have yet to get my hands on one of these.
muttznmongrelz
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Not that I’ve been able to tell; I’m referring to the tilt back Headstock multi piece construction ones with the pronounced volute where the thru neck locking nut is located.
Not that I’ve been able to tell; I’m referring to the tilt back Headstock multi piece construction ones with the pronounced volute where the thru neck locking nut is located.
muttznmongrelz
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Haven’t actually looked at any real data but with the Charvel it sure seems there are a lot of them selling and they retain their value on resale with USA, Japan and now Mexico versions.
No offense to anyone who has one and digs it regarding Kramer by Gibson but I’ve yet to run across a Gibson era model that didn’t feel cheap and have razor edge frets...definitely not in same category quality as even the Pro Mod Charvels.
Haven’t actually looked at any real data but with the Charvel it sure seems there are a lot of them selling and they retain their value on resale with USA, Japan and now Mexico versions.
No offense to anyone who has one and digs it regarding Kramer by Gibson but I’ve yet to run across a Gibson era model that didn’t feel cheap and have razor edge frets...definitely not in same category quality as even the Pro Mod Charvels.
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Ayrton
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I don't know what the sales targets are but my industry friends and the Charvel dealers I know say they can't give them away. Remember, it was less than a year ago the MIM models were being blown out for $499-$599.
What is funny is the USA models now bring almost twice what MAP was new, and those were being blown out for $400-$500 then.
I never tried a Music Yo Kramer, so I have no opinion.
I don't know what the sales targets are but my industry friends and the Charvel dealers I know say they can't give them away. Remember, it was less than a year ago the MIM models were being blown out for $499-$599.
What is funny is the USA models now bring almost twice what MAP was new, and those were being blown out for $400-$500 then.
I never tried a Music Yo Kramer, so I have no opinion.
Ayrton
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Just in case anyone is looking for a Charvel
http://www.proaudiostar.com/charvel-pro-mod-dk24-hh-fr-snow-white.html
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/gui...o-mod-san-dimas-style-1-2h-fr-electric-guitar
Just in case anyone is looking for a Charvel
http://www.proaudiostar.com/charvel-pro-mod-dk24-hh-fr-snow-white.html
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/gui...o-mod-san-dimas-style-1-2h-fr-electric-guitar
Gtrjunior
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I think the issue with the Gibson/Kramer reissues is that the quality isn’t quite up to par with the originals.
I haven’t looked at a spec comparison but if I were a betting man, I’d wager that the hardware is all cheaper alternatives to what was used in the 80’s on the Kramer lineup.
I have heard that the necks on the Baretta Specials is pretty much the only decent part of that guitar.
I think the issue with the Gibson/Kramer reissues is that the quality isn’t quite up to par with the originals.
I haven’t looked at a spec comparison but if I were a betting man, I’d wager that the hardware is all cheaper alternatives to what was used in the 80’s on the Kramer lineup.
I have heard that the necks on the Baretta Specials is pretty much the only decent part of that guitar.
Ayrton
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I don't doubt it.
I would be willing to bet one might be able to score a deal on the brand now that Gibson is looking to raise some cash.
I don't doubt it.
I would be willing to bet one might be able to score a deal on the brand now that Gibson is looking to raise some cash.
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MusicYo made Steinbergers, too, which were not quite like the older USA models, but at the time (and since then) there are no USA models available except the used market and those prices continue to be really high. So the market is there for Kramers or Steinbergers, but you need a company to invest in bringing the brands back.
MusicYo made Steinbergers, too, which were not quite like the older USA models, but at the time (and since then) there are no USA models available except the used market and those prices continue to be really high. So the market is there for Kramers or Steinbergers, but you need a company to invest in bringing the brands back.
Ayrton
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I don’t think the market can support it. The “superstrat” market is much smaller now with many affordable options. LTD (ESP), Charvel/Jackson, Schecter, EVH , etc. Hell, you can buy a MIJ RG550 reissue now for $999 including HSC these days.
Once you creep past $1500 you start getting into Suhr, Tom Anderson, customs territory.
I don’t think the market can support it. The “superstrat” market is much smaller now with many affordable options. LTD (ESP), Charvel/Jackson, Schecter, EVH , etc. Hell, you can buy a MIJ RG550 reissue now for $999 including HSC these days.
Once you creep past $1500 you start getting into Suhr, Tom Anderson, customs territory.
Obsessive Compulsive
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The shred market is owned by ESP and Ibanez, and maybe Jackson filling the demand for US-made instruments. There is no hot player who hasn't been endorsed by either ESP or Ibanez. Sure there is Satchel, but he's a goof...not really any company serious about turning their business around wants to be associated with.
The shred market is owned by ESP and Ibanez, and maybe Jackson filling the demand for US-made instruments. There is no hot player who hasn't been endorsed by either ESP or Ibanez. Sure there is Satchel, but he's a goof...not really any company serious about turning their business around wants to be associated with.
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I think Kramer would have had some of that market if they had stayed in business. The headless market now is essentially Kiesel and Strandberg, but if Steinberger had survived and had been a viable company all this time, they would have had the market. Kramers were one of the first Super Strats, they should have been up there with other companies right now.
I think Kramer would have had some of that market if they had stayed in business. The headless market now is essentially Kiesel and Strandberg, but if Steinberger had survived and had been a viable company all this time, they would have had the market. Kramers were one of the first Super Strats, they should have been up there with other companies right now.
dystrust
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AFAIK Strandberg and Kiesel are either all wood, or wood with a bolt-on composite neck.
If Steinberger came back and could offer an XL-2 reissue for $2K-ish, I'd be all over it. I'd love to have an original one, but they went from $1500 to $4000 on the used market in the last 2-3 years and that's just insane.
AFAIK Strandberg and Kiesel are either all wood, or wood with a bolt-on composite neck.
If Steinberger came back and could offer an XL-2 reissue for $2K-ish, I'd be all over it. I'd love to have an original one, but they went from $1500 to $4000 on the used market in the last 2-3 years and that's just insane.
Sirion
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Yep. What is more, whilst Charvel might be declining from overexposure now, a decade ago they brought the superstrat back into the limelight with whatever they called the Pro Mod back then. Kramer was arguably the better known company, and should have been able to do that even earlier, had they been subject to semi-competent management.
Yep. What is more, whilst Charvel might be declining from overexposure now, a decade ago they brought the superstrat back into the limelight with whatever they called the Pro Mod back then. Kramer was arguably the better known company, and should have been able to do that even earlier, had they been subject to semi-competent management.
