Laney AOR Appriciation Time(again)

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This is THE SWORD...Sword is a completely different stoner rock band.

Nowadays The Sword run their Laney AOR's next to Orange stacks too. I don't have to tell you how good that sounds. You can actually see an Orange head on the ground in that first video...true stoner tone requires at least two monsterous heads.
 
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Empty Pockets said:
This is THE SWORD...Sword is a completely different stoner rock band.

Nowadays The Sword run their Laney AOR's next to Orange stacks too. I don't have to tell you how good that sounds. You can actually see an Orange head on the ground in that first video...true stoner tone requires at least two monsterous heads.
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My goal is my Laney AOR with Soldano avenger - stereo into one 4X12.
 
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Just find an old Pre-AOR Laney MV head, send it to me, I'll get it close to sounding like an Avenger for you and send it back, it'll cost you alot less and you'll still have an effects loop in it.

I just picked up a PT50MV Series II and have been playing with mods on it, nice amp, I'm adding a little bit of gain and warming up the tone some, it'll probably become my main amp. I don't need SLO amounts of gain, I use pedals for that, just a basic British sound to build on, but, I can add the crazy gain easily, it's got even got a gain stage that's not being used that could be hooked up to go over the top, but I probably wouldn't need to do that for Soldano tones.
 
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devastone said:
Just find an old Pre-AOR Laney MV head, send it to me, I'll get it close to sounding like an Avenger for you and send it back, it'll cost you alot less and you'll still have an effects loop in it.

I just picked up a PT50MV Series II and have been playing with mods on it, nice amp, I'm adding a little bit of gain and warming up the tone some, it'll probably become my main amp. I don't need SLO amounts of gain, I use pedals for that, just a basic British sound to build on, but, I can add the crazy gain easily, it's got even got a gain stage that's not being used that could be hooked up to go over the top, but I probably wouldn't need to do that for Soldano tones.
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Dude are you serious????!!!! I can find just a Pro-Tube, non AOR, and you could give me that "a ton on top of very transparent, clear sandy break up" that is associated with a depth mod? I would be so into it.
 
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Not sure how they do the depth mod, I might be able to figure it out, but I've never played a Soldano with the depth mod, even Mike Soldano has said he doesn't like it that much. The gain and voicing is easy, a Soldano is just a gained out Marshall, the old Pre-AOR Laneys were basically Marshalls up to the effects loop which uses a TL072 FET opamp, no reason to change that, their levels are set to work well with pedals and they are very transparent. The Laneys may be a little brighter, but that's pretty easy to take care of. Will it sound exactly like an Avenger, no, will it sound good and have alot of gain, yes.

It's always easier if someone is hear to play the amp to make sure it's going in the right direction, but I can make you a good sounding amp. But remember, with that much gain, the noise level will go up. That's one of the reasons I'm not building it into mine (although I may have a secret SOB switch:)) It would also still have the bass boost and mid boost pulls on the bass and middle knobs (the old ones didn't have a treble boost, it would be ridiculous with one anyway).

Oh yeah, where are you located?
 
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devastone said:
the old Pre-AOR Laneys were basically Marshalls up to the effects loop which uses a TL072 FET opamp, no reason to change that, their levels are set to work well with pedals and they are very transparent. The Laneys may be a little brighter, but that's pretty easy to take care of. Will it sound exactly like an Avenger, no, will it sound good and have alot of gain, yes.
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The Pre-AOR Laney's without a FX loop (I never saw a Pre-AOR w/t a Loop?) But I'll take your word on it. Was a direct knockoff of a Marshall 2204/03 Circuit. The only difference was Laney has some kind of inductor ?? in the 1st preamp stage and a different value reisitor in the power section to accommodate the Skot transformer. The Skot PT also had a Bias tap and needed a Fullwave bridge Diode rectifier curcuit. Other then that... It was a resistor for resistor, Cap for Cap copy of a Marshall. Lets not forget the original Marshall was a shameless knockoff of a Fender Bassman 5F6-A that Leo developed by knocking off old RCA circuits.:smack::laugh2:
 
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kmcguitars said:
The Pre-AOR Laney's without a FX loop (I never saw a Pre-AOR w/t a Loop?) But I'll take your word on it. Was a direct knockoff of a Marshall 2204/03 Circuit. The only difference was Laney has some kind of inductor ?? in the 1st preamp stage and a different value reisitor in the power section to accommodate the Skot transformer. The Skot PT also had a Bias tap and needed a Fullwave bridge Diode rectifier curcuit. Other then that... It was a resistor for resistor, Cap for Cap copy of a Marshall. Lets not forget the original Marshall was a shameless knockoff of a Fender Bassman 5F6-A that Leo developed by knocking off old RCA circuits.:smack::laugh2:
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Yeah I heard that too, but I guess more than a few things were changed for AORs besides extra gain stage and EFX loop, and push/pull boosts on the EQ. What do you think of Supergroup circuit? Iommi was so signaturesque with that amp in the 70s. And of course there KLIPP that was a very unique thing, kinda first shot at High Gain thing.
 
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kmcguitars said:
The Pre-AOR Laney's without a FX loop (I never saw a Pre-AOR w/t a Loop?) But I'll take your word on it. Was a direct knockoff of a Marshall 2204/03 Circuit. The only difference was Laney has some kind of inductor ?? in the 1st preamp stage and a different value reisitor in the power section to accommodate the Skot transformer. The Skot PT also had a Bias tap and needed a Fullwave bridge Diode rectifier curcuit. Other then that... It was a resistor for resistor, Cap for Cap copy of a Marshall. Lets not forget the original Marshall was a shameless knockoff of a Fender Bassman 5F6-A that Leo developed by knocking off old RCA circuits.:smack::laugh2:
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I've got one with a loop on my bench right now. It also has pull bass and mid boosts. It's a PCB version, not a hand wired, but the old PCBs are still pretty easy to work on. And yes, the preamp, up to the TL072 fx loop, are direct copies of a Marshall MV circuit.
 
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devastone said:
I've got one with a loop on my bench right now. It also has pull bass and mid boosts. It's a PCB version, not a hand wired, but the old PCBs are still pretty easy to work on. And yes, the preamp, up to the TL072 fx loop, are direct copies of a Marshall MV circuit.
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I'm not sure of the date of my old PRO TUBE? (I guess early 80's) Here are some pics of the Combo. No op amps to be found here. As you can see it is a PCB, Similar to the Marshall vertical inputs. No components or mounted to the board, No push pull knobs. I had put a metro amps 2204 P2P board in the laney. It sounded better, But not a drastic improvement.:smack: So I put the PCB back in the Laney ,And gave it to a friend .Then I built a 2204 with the proper Trannys.
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you guys better stop all this nonsense before i go buy an AOR and sink further into debt!
 
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I'm not very satisfied at all with how my AOR-50 series II sound right now. I've played with heaps with of preamp configurations, but it only made slight variations. I'm going to get it rebiased soon with JJ KT-77s and get my Marshall quad box running once I've wired the speakers. Hopefully those changes will make a drastic improvement on the tone.

As an absolute last resort, I'm considering getting this simple "fizz removal" AOR mod done: http://www.geocities.com/t.racer_x/index.html

If that doesn't work out, I'll have to pass it on. It either needs a recap (just too expensive for what it's worth) or it really isn't my type of sound. I think an Egnater TOL-50, Fargen Olde 800 or even a pre-AOR Pro Tube would be far more up my alley.
 
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Yeah, i've heard about this about series II ... I have the 6 knober, the first generation that is, and its the best amp I've had. I've read before that serious II were build poorly and the circuit change to switch between channels and the seperate pre-amp controls did something to the tone ....
 
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Hames Jetfield said:
As an absolute last resort, I'm considering getting this simple "fizz removal" AOR mod done: http://www.geocities.com/t.racer_x/index.html
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The pre-AOR Pro Tube will sound similar, just a little less gain. The de-fizz mod is similar to some of the mods I did to my non-AOR PT50, I did remove the treble peaking circuits (the 470K Resistor in parallel with the 470pF caps), that will help alot as well as removing the 1nf cap across the gain pot. I would do all the mods except I would try it without changing the 100K pot first, it may work fine that way, and it would save some trouble. If not, the pot isn't that hard to change. Also, changing the 2.2uF cap to a 1uF cap won't do anything to the gain or fizziness. That's a bypass cap and it just changes raises the frequency that the majority of the gain in that stage kicks in from 26Hz to 60Hz, what it may do is tighten the bass some though.

BTW, if you can do this, you can change the filter cap yourself, they are only $9 - $10.
 
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Jetfield,
Try running it on 4 ohms with presence on 0, I get heavenly tones that way on mine, you get so much tightness and clarity that way, I danno, try it.
 
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Once I've got my Marshall quad wired I'll be able to run it at 4 ohms. My current speaker cab is only a single 8-Ohm.
 
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devastone said:
Also, changing the 2.2uF cap to a 1uF cap won't do anything to the gain or fizziness. That's a bypass cap and it just changes raises the frequency that the majority of the gain in that stage kicks in from 26Hz to 60Hz, what it may do is tighten the bass some though.
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That actually would be of benefit because is does sound very flabby and loose on the bottem end as it is now.

BTW, if you can do this, you can change the filter cap yourself, they are only $9 - $10.
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Well, I'm scared of electrocuting myself so it's probably something I'd pay a tech to do for me.
 
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