Legendary albums recorded using cheap guitars, amps.
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El Supremo
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ATG was a Peavey Supreme, home made 4×12 with only 3 functioning speakers and a HM2 into a MT2. Guitar was an Ibanez Maxxas with an EMG 81. Pretty cheap, I think the 81/85 set was more expensive than the Maxxas in them days.
On Terminal Spirit Disease it was a Vester with an EMG 81 and just a MT2 into the Supreme. Über cheapo yet killer tone and a total classic metal album (actually an EP originally).
Just shows how far some really good songs and some solid band performance can take you.
ATG was a Peavey Supreme, home made 4×12 with only 3 functioning speakers and a HM2 into a MT2. Guitar was an Ibanez Maxxas with an EMG 81. Pretty cheap, I think the 81/85 set was more expensive than the Maxxas in them days.
On Terminal Spirit Disease it was a Vester with an EMG 81 and just a MT2 into the Supreme. Über cheapo yet killer tone and a total classic metal album (actually an EP originally).
Just shows how far some really good songs and some solid band performance can take you.
GuitarStv
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Cobain's music wasn't really about technical chops, and he was always more of a singer/songwriter than guitarist . . . so I guess I can kinda see where you're coming from. Morello's a great rhythm player with a very distinctive style though, what's your beef with him?
Cobain's music wasn't really about technical chops, and he was always more of a singer/songwriter than guitarist . . . so I guess I can kinda see where you're coming from. Morello's a great rhythm player with a very distinctive style though, what's your beef with him?
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No, no, my apologies if my reply sounded like "I told you so". It wasn't. I am no authority on Morello, although I am in awe of this man's creativity.
I had actually misheard it the first time and this time I sort of listened to the bit inattentively and posted the video in my reply. I actually heard something like "we recorded the entire Rage Against the Machine with this and a solid state 20 watt". You are right, he just meant the drop tune bit.
At the risk of sounding shallow and pedantic, he says the $50 Kay was his first guitar, and that the majority of his college practice sessions (pre-Rage) were the Explorer. The Canadian Pawn Shop guitar and solid state amp he mentions were used on "Tire Me", a single track from Evil Empire. (He even mentions the Drop D Tele in this video)
Again, I apologize for sounding like a jerk, I was obsessed with Tom back in the 90's/early 00's, so I read everything I could find. In my youth, I of course attributed his sound to his gear, when it really should be attributed to his mind and creativity.If you have other info stating he recorded the debut album with an Orange, I'll be happy to add that to my knowledge. I was under the impression that by the time they cut RATM his setup was pretty fixed after playing live with Rage the previous year.
No, no, my apologies if my reply sounded like "I told you so". It wasn't. I am no authority on Morello, although I am in awe of this man's creativity.
I had actually misheard it the first time and this time I sort of listened to the bit inattentively and posted the video in my reply. I actually heard something like "we recorded the entire Rage Against the Machine with this and a solid state 20 watt". You are right, he just meant the drop tune bit.
Brian Griffin
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You can't stand clashes of opinions?
You can't stand clashes of opinions?
Falloffthebonetone
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Wasn't Zeppelin 1 recorded on a little Supro amp?
I know Zep and a few others like Clapton and the Stones also did some work with the Pignose amps. Dunno what albums or songs specifically though.
Wasn't Zeppelin 1 recorded on a little Supro amp?
I know Zep and a few others like Clapton and the Stones also did some work with the Pignose amps. Dunno what albums or songs specifically though.
Edgecrusher
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Dont act like we havent seen your schtick before... You know damn well saying it like that is inflammatory its grade school trolling right out of the sand box
Dont act like we havent seen your schtick before... You know damn well saying it like that is inflammatory its grade school trolling right out of the sand box
Lovegun
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Most of the tracks from Hysteria were recorded with a Rockman.
Most of the tracks from Hysteria were recorded with a Rockman.
SlyFoxx
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Many of the tones Brian May achieved in the studio where via a tiny battery powered amp built by (Queen Bassist) John Deacon. The circuit board was found in a trash dumpster or as the brits would say "skip." It had no volume or tone controls. Can't get much simpler than that!
Many of the tones Brian May achieved in the studio where via a tiny battery powered amp built by (Queen Bassist) John Deacon. The circuit board was found in a trash dumpster or as the brits would say "skip." It had no volume or tone controls. Can't get much simpler than that!
DrNewcenstein
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Wasn't the Maxxas a chambered body and an arched top that was fairly expensive at the time? I know Skolnick used one before going with the Saber, and last time I tried to find a Maxxas on Ebay, I wasn't pleased about the price :lol:
And when someone says "cheap", I don't think "Les Paul for $50 in a Pawn Shop/Crackhead deal" or what you bought one used for or sold one for recently - I think "poor quality but that's all we could afford".
The Rockman was not cheap when Hysteria came out - in 1988 it was still a fair amount of money for a lot of people (I had the money at the time and thought it was pricey). It's not like the $100 models you can get today.
Wasn't the Maxxas a chambered body and an arched top that was fairly expensive at the time? I know Skolnick used one before going with the Saber, and last time I tried to find a Maxxas on Ebay, I wasn't pleased about the price :lol:
And when someone says "cheap", I don't think "Les Paul for $50 in a Pawn Shop/Crackhead deal" or what you bought one used for or sold one for recently - I think "poor quality but that's all we could afford".
The Rockman was not cheap when Hysteria came out - in 1988 it was still a fair amount of money for a lot of people (I had the money at the time and thought it was pricey). It's not like the $100 models you can get today.
allbutromeo
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not to mention being made with a home made guitar because he couldn't afford to buy one, it doesn't get much cheaper than that
treyhaislip
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Me too...just like some guys on here called Creed and Nickelback garbage...just cause you don't like someone/their music doesn't mean they are talent-less
Me too...just like some guys on here called Creed and Nickelback garbage...just cause you don't like someone/their music doesn't mean they are talent-less
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Snake Aces
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I personally do not like Creed or Nickelback much at all. However, they have sure sold more albums than I ever have. Definitely not garbage and no matter what kind of music it is it takes talent of some kind to make it all come together.
I personally do not like Creed or Nickelback much at all. However, they have sure sold more albums than I ever have. Definitely not garbage and no matter what kind of music it is it takes talent of some kind to make it all come together.
GuitarStv
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There's somewhat of a distinct line between calling someone talentless and calling their music garbage.
Nickleback's music is awful garbage. <- that's an opinion, cool
Nickleback is talentless. <- That's an unsupported allegation.
I hate Nickleback, but they're a group of professional musicians working at what they like, doing shows and recording albums that a lot of people want to buy. Calling them talentless is flat out wrong, and really just says more about the poor character of the poster than anything about the group.
There's somewhat of a distinct line between calling someone talentless and calling their music garbage.
Nickleback's music is awful garbage. <- that's an opinion, cool
Nickleback is talentless. <- That's an unsupported allegation.
I hate Nickleback, but they're a group of professional musicians working at what they like, doing shows and recording albums that a lot of people want to buy. Calling them talentless is flat out wrong, and really just says more about the poor character of the poster than anything about the group.
El Supremo
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The music store where I live had one ( like 20 years ago) at the time for like 500 Guilders, which is like barely 240€, which is about the same in $. Very unusual colour too, a metallic grey/red burst. Kinda futuristic looking, body felt solid though. Cheapest guitar they had at the time.
Price has probably gone up due to it's rarity. The only 2 I saw in real life where the one in the store and the one I saw Anders with in '96.
The music store where I live had one ( like 20 years ago) at the time for like 500 Guilders, which is like barely 240€, which is about the same in $. Very unusual colour too, a metallic grey/red burst. Kinda futuristic looking, body felt solid though. Cheapest guitar they had at the time.
Price has probably gone up due to it's rarity. The only 2 I saw in real life where the one in the store and the one I saw Anders with in '96.
Brian Griffin
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So a guy who dwells in the same 3 chords throughout his career may be a virtuoso in disguise? So it is possible that Sex Pistols may dwarf the London Symphony Orchestra? Oh my ****ing God...I've got it all wrong all this time!
So a guy who dwells in the same 3 chords throughout his career may be a virtuoso in disguise? So it is possible that Sex Pistols may dwarf the London Symphony Orchestra? Oh my ****ing God...I've got it all wrong all this time!
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GuitarStv
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No.
I'm saying that being an instrumental virtuoso isn't a prerequisite to having musical talent. Making and playing music that people want to hear is. It's OK to dislike and have different tastes regarding something, but when you start attacking people out of jealousy or denigrating them for no real reason you just come off as an ass.
No.
I'm saying that being an instrumental virtuoso isn't a prerequisite to having musical talent. Making and playing music that people want to hear is. It's OK to dislike and have different tastes regarding something, but when you start attacking people out of jealousy or denigrating them for no real reason you just come off as an ass.
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DreX
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I haven't heard most of these albums despite their being legendary and whatnot. Can you tell they used cheap gear in these recordings, or does this speak to a lack of substantive difference and merit between practice equipment and first-time learning guitars versus thousand dollar valve amps and domestically crafted guitars?
I haven't heard most of these albums despite their being legendary and whatnot. Can you tell they used cheap gear in these recordings, or does this speak to a lack of substantive difference and merit between practice equipment and first-time learning guitars versus thousand dollar valve amps and domestically crafted guitars?
El Supremo
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Well in the case of At The Gates, back in '96 I simply asked the guy what he used to record with.
Personally, I don't really give a rat's behind about the cost of gear. If it sounds good to me and conveys what I'm trying to get across, it's a good piece of gear to me. If another item does that for another person, it's also a good piece of gear.
In short, I don't think there is any such thing as "bad gear", just inappropriate appliance.
Well in the case of At The Gates, back in '96 I simply asked the guy what he used to record with
.Personally, I don't really give a rat's behind about the cost of gear. If it sounds good to me and conveys what I'm trying to get across, it's a good piece of gear to me. If another item does that for another person, it's also a good piece of gear.
In short, I don't think there is any such thing as "bad gear", just inappropriate appliance.
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