Making Floyd Trem Action lighter/easier?

[greekdude]

Re: Making Floyd Trem Action lighter/easier?

I use stabilizers all the time, although that one is a slightly different one, looks similar to the Hipshot without having to drill a hole in the body. But, they don't change the tension on the arm for diving, they do add more tension for pull ups.

you can adjust it to have as tension as needed so that bends go unaffacted, so pull downs will suffer a little as well.

 

[devastone]

Re: Making Floyd Trem Action lighter/easier?

you can adjust it to have as tension as needed so that bends go unaffacted, so pull downs will suffer a little as well.

Yes, you can tighten everything down so that bends won't be affected, but, go back to the OP, he was looking for ways to "lighten" the tension, you can't have both.

 

[FalloutMaster]

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Decked edge? PIC PLEASE

Sounds like you got it set up all wrong. You know that you're supposed to set it parallel to the BOTTOM of the baseplate, NOT the slanted top?

Here's some photos.

Here's the trem cavity with the wooden deck. The bridge is just *barely* not touching the deck.


Heres the top side, looks like the bridge is lined up right


Here's a gif I made too of the bridge pulling up out of the cavity while I do a full step bend on the 15th fret B string. I don't know if that is a normal amount of movement, the guitar is certainly playable with it though.

 

[Gtrjunior]

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^^^the original Edge is a phenomenal bridge.

 

[ICTGoober]

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Your vid looks normal to me.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

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Easy whammying bridge = looser tension = bridge moves when you bend strings.

If you don't have the bridge block resting against that block of wood, there's no reason to have it there. Get that thing out of there and go full floating!

 

[GuitarStv]

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+1 for full floating. That's kinda the whole point of having a floyd.

 

[greekdude]

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I dont have Edge, but Edge Zero II, shouldn't the plate be parallel to the body?

 

[FalloutMaster]

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I dont have Edge, but Edge Zero II, shouldn't the plate be parallel to the body?

The bottom, flat part of the bridge should be parallel to the body, not the top angled line.

 

[greekdude]

Re: Making Floyd Trem Action lighter/easier?

http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/angle.htm

yeah, so the posts should be perpendicular to the knife edge.

 

[Adieu]

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Here's some photos.

Here's the trem cavity with the wooden deck. The bridge is just *barely* not touching the deck.
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Heres the top side, looks like the bridge is lined up right
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Here's a gif I made too of the bridge pulling up out of the cavity while I do a full step bend on the 15th fret B string. I don't know if that is a normal amount of movement, the guitar is certainly playable with it though.
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Aaah... add'l piece of wood, gotcha

If it's not touching, what's the point though?

 

[FalloutMaster]

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Aaah... add'l piece of wood, gotcha

If it's not touching, what's the point though?

Well, it *was* touching the wood deck until I took a spring out. I've removed the wood now. I'm trying it as a floating bridge now to see how I like it.

 

[Coma]

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Not sure if someone mentioned it already but keep in mind that in a floating bridge system, the lower your action, the higher your overall tension will be, and your strings will have a more resitent feel to them.

 

[PFDarkside]

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Well, it *was* touching the wood deck until I took a spring out. I've removed the wood now. I'm trying it as a floating bridge now to see how I like it.

Just semantics, but it sounds like it was “blocked”, meaning a piece of wood was used to prevent upward motion. “Decked” or “decking” refers to the trem sitting on the top of the body as opposed to floating. If you have the Floyd recess routing, it either needs to float or be blocked.

 

[ErikH]

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Simple fix to the bend lift. Adjust the trem claw in the back, tighten each screw one turn at a time. Bend, does the trem lift? If not, you're done. If it does, go another turn on each screw, maybe half-turn. You can find the sweet spot. It simply takes time, patience and going through the motions. Three springs with the claw adjusted to taste will get what you want, and it'll probably touch the wood block again too.

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Making Floyd Trem Action lighter/easier?

Simple fix to the bend lift. Adjust the trem claw in the back, tighten each screw one turn at a time. Bend, does the trem lift? If not, you're done. If it does, go another turn on each screw, maybe half-turn. You can find the sweet spot. It simply takes time, patience and going through the motions. Three springs with the claw adjusted to taste will get what you want, and it'll probably touch the wood block again too.

Yeah, but then you have to crank really hard on the bar to dive the trem. Which is what the OP didn't want to keep doing.

 

[ErikH]

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Yeah, but then you have to crank really hard on the bar to dive the trem. Which is what the OP didn't want to keep doing.

Small adjustments and it can be done so it doesn't lift yet it has a soft feel. I've done it with my Kramer. At best, the lift would be very minimal, definitely less than what he has shown thus far.

 

[greekdude]

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Not sure if someone mentioned it already but keep in mind that in a floating bridge system, the lower your action, the higher your overall tension will be, and your strings will have a more resitent feel to them.

care yo give the physics behind it?

 

[greekdude]

Re: Making Floyd Trem Action lighter/easier?

Simple fix to the bend lift. Adjust the trem claw in the back, tighten each screw one turn at a time. Bend, does the trem lift? If not, you're done. If it does, go another turn on each screw, maybe half-turn. You can find the sweet spot. It simply takes time, patience and going through the motions. Three springs with the claw adjusted to taste will get what you want, and it'll probably touch the wood block again too.

ok, we got a floating bridge here so, at the stable state :
F by springs = F by strings = C (constant, lets say around 40Kg ~ 400 N)
By tightening the spring claws we cannot move away from the 40Kg figure, so the spring tension will still be 40Kg, but the spot that the system will reach the stable state will be a different one.

By bending we increase total string tension, so the total spring tension will also have to be increase for those two to match. This is done by the string pulling the bridge/springs, which means that other strings will sound de-tuned, eitherway you think of it.

anyway, I'd like to see some theory or actual proof behind this.

 

[Guitarmusic]

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sometimes giving just a LITTLE relief in the truss rod can help with string tension