Marshall Valvestate Pedal?
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misterwhizzy
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Speaking of solid state AIB pedals has anyone tried this stomp yet based on the Gorilla TC110 Tube Cruncher amps?
Must have.
Rex_Rocker
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They kinda did caught on... except Bruce Egnater took the design somewhere else, and now they morphed into the YouTube craze that is Synergy.
Really cool concept... but it does get expensive. BAD (who also handle Friedman, Soldano, etc.) makes the Synergy stuff.
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misterwhizzy
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This is the way.
Inflames626
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I find I get flabby tone on the low end if I go through the clean channel depending upon amp and pedal.
That said I'm surprised there aren't more 5150 III pedal preamps (if they exist) going into Fender Deluxe Reverbs, which may actually sound similar to the actual amp head.
Since a lot of amp dirty channels have boost buttons I would see a pedal as just engaging the boost--so putting distortion on top of distortion need not be bad.
But I could see the merit going into a clean channel and using that as your saturated sound while using the dirty channel of the amp as a mid gain third channel.
misterwhizzy
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I find I get flabby tone on the low end if I go through the clean channel depending upon amp and pedal.
Tuning to E Standard and not dialing in that much bass or gain help me avoid that. Plus, I'm not going for In Flames tones. A hard rock tone is all I'm looking for.
Rex_Rocker
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I wouldn't think so, personally.
The head is 100W full-on 6L6 goodness designed to go ideally into a 16 ohm 4x12 with Greenback-types.
The Deluxe Reverb is 20W with 6V6's... and well, a 1x12 open back cab with a Jensen is kind of the antithesis of a good cab for Metal, LOL.
Inflames626
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Well the idea is the cleaner and flatter an amp is, the more it can be boosted by the 5150 III preamp pedal and, when the pedal is taken away, the more the clean will sound like the amp head clean.
Substitute any Fender amp you like. I'm still wondering if this would work as a way to emulate the head. I think if the power amp tubes in the Fender amp are different from what is in the actual head there will probably be a difference.
But yeah I'm not big on boosting through a clean channel.
Aceman
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I have no idea what you are talking about. If I'm running a 5150 pedal into a Fender clean, I'm using the gain knob to bring all the dirt I want at the same volume level...
What are you going to do? Goose the level knob to distort the preamp?
Securb
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I have used a Deluxe in the studio and practice for metal gigs with great results. My main metal rig for years was an open-back cab with Jensens, the same for Lips from Anvil. It works.
Rex_Rocker
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Yeah, I guess it does work great on certain applications. Not my kind of Metal or tone, but I can appreciate it's working great there.
But my point was more along the lines of I doubt a 5150 pedal through a Deluxe Reverb sounds much like a 5150III half stack.
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misterwhizzy
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RanchManSandy
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wait when did the Valvestates become desirable??? I had one 20 years ago back when they were mercilessly shit on by enthusiasts. I thought it was fine, not the best but far from the worst. why did its reputation suddenly spike?
Aceman
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The Valvestate 2000 series was definitely hit/miss.
But the 8100 series and the VS series were always great. Those were crapped on merely because they were not all tube. But people who dig the actual SOUND always knew they were cool.
Must be the "vintage" re-examine thing.
RanchManSandy
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interesting, mine was a vs102r. Was that a "good" one? I don't remember it saying anything about 2000 or 8100 on it. Honestly I found it had a weird midrange unless I used the Dimension switch.
Aceman
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I'd say yes. Same as mine but 2x12. YMMV
Dimension was a 25/100 watt output switch.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
The extreme/death metal crowd loved them and Judas Preist used them for years in the studio. The people who benefitted from having great-sounding budget amps are the ones who ignored the enthusiasts. Always a good policy to have.
RanchManSandy
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what, really? All i remember it doing was scooping some mids, I don't have any recollection of a volume change. then again the diff between 25w and 100w is only, what, 6 dB? I also did a lot of drugs 20 years ago. Like a lot.
