modal change example

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i wanted to see how something like this would sound.

it's just a 2 chord progression, with B and C with the inverted fifths to sound like a 7 string. and i did a lead over it.

the idea was to play a diffrenent mode over each chord. so over the B chord, i played C# locrian lines and on the C, i used C lydian lines as well as arpeggios. despite the tone, i think the playing kinda sounded a little petrucci'ish.

anyways, it's in 5/4 time and about 28 seconds long. check it out..

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/lpshreddersmusic.htm
enjoy

 

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ok, i'll explain it in normal persons speak

i played a different scale over each chord this is what came out

 

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wow, thanks for all the replies

it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing you guys care so much :wink:

 

[MurderByDeath]

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Sounds pretty neat. You got good tone.

 

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are you serious!!!!!!!!!!!

wow, honestly thats teh first time i ever heard that on this board!!

 

[MurderByDeath]

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Yep. Nice and thick.

 

[nuntius]

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In full "prog mode" it seems

nice guitaring

 

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wow

thats cool, maybe the charvel really was worth the money

:starts dancing:

weird thing is, now it seems i can never write stuff in 4/4 anymore :smack:

 

[Davey]

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wow, thanks for all the replies

it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing you guys care so much :wink:

you know.. some people are trying to have a life besides the forum... and to some it just came crashing down like a ton of briks


clip is nice, but the guitar needs more presence. it's still a little bit muddy. playing is cool

there.. satisfied.. now leave me alone

 

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i was just thinking that maybe in the 24+ hours that this has been here, maybe one person could have said somehting

rather than my own mindless bumping

 

[KirkLorange]

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I'm not sure how you're counting that ... sounds like a 2/4 bar sandwiched between two 4/4 bars to me. Good tone.

 

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just listen to how many beats the rhythm guitar is playing.
1-2-3-4-5/1-2-3-4-5/1-2-3-4-5/etc.

 

[KirkLorange]

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Hmmm? I hear it as:

1-2-3-4 | 1-2-3-4 | 1-2 | 1-2-3-4 | 1-2-3-4 | 1-2 | 1-2-3-4 | 1-2-3-4 | 1-2 |

If you double up the beats, you do get 5 units of two beats each time, but I can't see how you'd call it 5/4.

Whatever!

Kirk

 

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hear the drums?

and the snare and bass drum, thats counting 5.

so:

crash-snare-snare-snare-snare/crash-snare-snare-snare-snare/etc.

 

[KirkLorange]

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I still can't hear that as 5/4 ... I've had a career as a session player, that would have been written out as 4/4 with a 2/4 bar thrown in, but like I said ... whatever. It is what it is no matter how you count it.

 

[moog1000]

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'Re: modal change example'

Not sure if this title fully explains what you're doing. I was expecting a vamp in a certain key and then doing 4 bars or so in different modes in that key.

Your C# locrian is basically a B Aeolian (natural minor) which sounds more friendly, to which you're lowering the C# to C for it to fit the C chord.

People get too hung up on modes and scales, it doesn't matter where the notes come from as long as it fits nicely. You're clip basically displays what I call 'adaptive' playing which shows how you adjust the B natural minor scale to accomodate the unrelated 'C natural' chord. There's not really any special modal changes going on.

Having grumbled all that, nice clip....

 

[moog1000]

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P.S Yep that is 5/4. listen for the crash on beat 1 of each bar

 

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well technichally i am changing modes but not alot. just 2 times. notice when it goes to the C chord the first time, i hit the 3rd and then start the arpeggio.

yeah, i could've just said"i changed the key for a short moment" but modal changing sounds so much cooler

 

[Biu]

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Cool! That made me want to focus on theory even more! I'm getting deeper into modal territory. I got it down ok, but still gotta work on weaving between modes and whatnot. Do you got any tips for that? I've been making up patterns and just running them all over the modes. I want to get to the point where I don't have to think about it and can improvise like a madman in any given key and with full neck runs.

Are there any visual charts out there for all the harmonic minor modes (possibly online)? I really don't wanna sit here and figure out all the intervals

Sweet clip. :dance:

 

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thanks man!!

what i think a big key in weaving in and out of certain modes is this, it's much better(for your own self) to be able to play one thing in a certain area. this is somehting my guitar teacher told me. if you cant stay in a certain area of teh enck and make it osund good, then how is it gonna sound good when playing all over the neck? very wise words. while this is just a small example with barely any modal changing in it, i tried to stay withing one are of the fret board whihc was the 9th fret to 12h fret. i went out sometimes, liek for teh C major 7 arpeggio and for some of the harmonic minor lines. you dont want to end up like yngwie who can blast around all over the fret board but cant play a simple melody between a set of frets, do you?
i dont think so.
take this example, just stay in the are of the 5th fret and 8th fret and mover around using differnt modes. try not to do it in a rock setting, ply over some nice clean chords. major 7ths are good for this.
try playing over this chord progression:

Amajor 7
D9

the key is to just stay in the 5-8 fret area.
in the A major 7, you can play A ionian, or A lydian over it. i prefer A ionian just as a personal preference. and over the D9 chord, play A dorian over it. the major 6th brings out amuch mroe melodic tonality to it rather than aeolian or phrygian whihc kinda sound dull IMO over these types of things.
if you want me to, i'll record a short clip to give example?