Modeling amp suggestions?
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InstituteOfNoise
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Heck I've used just a POD into the PA playing the Viper Room before and they said it sounded like the hand of God. My regular rig now is a Vetta II Head (300w stereo) into a Genz Benz G-Flex 212. 300w stereo in solid state isn't really a true 300w. I don't know the conversion, and into an 8ohm cab, I'd venture that it's probably really around a real 80w per side. I could be off there.
I'd say just about any gig I'd do in LA could use either that or the Atomic. More depends on what sound I want to hear in my head and how easy load in will be. And yes I'd mic it. Actually I'd run the direct outs of the Vetta to the board... same for the Atomic.... run the FX sends to the board. Those are the L/R output of the POD, and since the patches are in Direct mode, what you hear through the Atomic will be pretty much what's going to the PA.
Stage volume doesn't need to be loud. If it is, the soundguy will shut everyone down and your relying on your stage mix which is usually ignored to sound balanced to your audience. If you have a decent monitor mix, why would someone need to play over the level of a jet plane taking off. Makes no sense, but as an ego stroke in my opinion. Those type of players need to learn how to listen and to balance themselves out in a mix. It's a matter of experience I guess.
As far as wattage... I can't say this enough. If you were to take a 100w 1x12 equivalent amp, it would only be about 7-8 db louder than the Atomic. Don't get caught up in the wattage game. What your getting is an amp that will have to work a bit harder to give you natural breakup. Besides an 18w amp will record phenomenal as recording history has shown. A real 18watts will really surprise those who aren't familiar with it.
The only thing I had to do was on some of my high gain patches was to reduce the drive on the PODxt a bit.
Heck I've used just a POD into the PA playing the Viper Room before and they said it sounded like the hand of God. My regular rig now is a Vetta II Head (300w stereo) into a Genz Benz G-Flex 212. 300w stereo in solid state isn't really a true 300w. I don't know the conversion, and into an 8ohm cab, I'd venture that it's probably really around a real 80w per side. I could be off there.
I'd say just about any gig I'd do in LA could use either that or the Atomic. More depends on what sound I want to hear in my head and how easy load in will be. And yes I'd mic it. Actually I'd run the direct outs of the Vetta to the board... same for the Atomic.... run the FX sends to the board. Those are the L/R output of the POD, and since the patches are in Direct mode, what you hear through the Atomic will be pretty much what's going to the PA.
Stage volume doesn't need to be loud. If it is, the soundguy will shut everyone down and your relying on your stage mix which is usually ignored to sound balanced to your audience. If you have a decent monitor mix, why would someone need to play over the level of a jet plane taking off. Makes no sense, but as an ego stroke in my opinion. Those type of players need to learn how to listen and to balance themselves out in a mix. It's a matter of experience I guess.
As far as wattage... I can't say this enough. If you were to take a 100w 1x12 equivalent amp, it would only be about 7-8 db louder than the Atomic. Don't get caught up in the wattage game. What your getting is an amp that will have to work a bit harder to give you natural breakup. Besides an 18w amp will record phenomenal as recording history has shown. A real 18watts will really surprise those who aren't familiar with it.
The only thing I had to do was on some of my high gain patches was to reduce the drive on the PODxt a bit.
InstituteOfNoise
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I was gonna add too... playing live with the POD before running into the PA was great coming out of the mains, but the stage monitors usually sound like a broken solid state amp and are pretty uninspiring to play off of. Now with the Atomic I get good sound out of both places.
I was gonna add too... playing live with the POD before running into the PA was great coming out of the mains, but the stage monitors usually sound like a broken solid state amp and are pretty uninspiring to play off of. Now with the Atomic I get good sound out of both places.
InstituteOfNoise
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I know that they just met with some dealers in San Diego last week. Just don't know who right now, but I'm pretty sure it's a store that is already a Line 6 dealer. I'm sure there they will be getting their supply anytime now. You can always check out the link further up in this thread I posted to zZounds. They do have a 30 day return policy. Worst case scenario, if your ever up in the Los Angeles area, email me in advance and I'll give you a private demo at our recording studio.
Hey UCSDBoy, I see in your profile your from the Wine Country. Do you mean Napa Valley? I used to live up there till '95 myself.
I know that they just met with some dealers in San Diego last week. Just don't know who right now, but I'm pretty sure it's a store that is already a Line 6 dealer. I'm sure there they will be getting their supply anytime now. You can always check out the link further up in this thread I posted to zZounds. They do have a 30 day return policy. Worst case scenario, if your ever up in the Los Angeles area, email me in advance and I'll give you a private demo at our recording studio.
Hey UCSDBoy, I see in your profile your from the Wine Country. Do you mean Napa Valley? I used to live up there till '95 myself.
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UCSDBoy
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I'll be on the lookout for it - thanks for the offer - don't get many chances to go up to LA but I'll keep it in mind.
Have you heard from Line6 what they think of it?
No, I'd be your upstart competitor then =) I'm from Sonoma County...
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I'll be on the lookout for it - thanks for the offer - don't get many chances to go up to LA but I'll keep it in mind.
Have you heard from Line6 what they think of it?No, I'd be your upstart competitor then =) I'm from Sonoma County...
InstituteOfNoise
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I actually talked to some high ups at Line 6 about it, and they thought it was great really. That someone was gonna do it eventually. It's all good!
Sonoma area, eh? Man I played every place from Uncle Charlies in Corte Madera to Magnolias in Santa Rosa. Ever heard the cover band Boys Night Out? I used to hang with that crowd of players. I used to do tons of sessions down in Marin.
I actually talked to some high ups at Line 6 about it, and they thought it was great really. That someone was gonna do it eventually. It's all good!
Sonoma area, eh? Man I played every place from Uncle Charlies in Corte Madera to Magnolias in Santa Rosa. Ever heard the cover band Boys Night Out? I used to hang with that crowd of players. I used to do tons of sessions down in Marin.
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( thanks for the help! )
Okay, great, I figured I'd have to treat the POD as a preamp, so what kind of amplifier would you recommend if I was going that route?
Also, if I were to buy a "transparent" 2 or 4 x12 what cab would you recommend?
A companion question to this would naturally be "Could I still use my stand alone effects pedals with the PODxt/POD Pro?" since I asked it earlier in reference to the Spider II.
I already know that the PODxt has an effects loop, so that leads me to believe I can use stand-alone effects with the unit. Is this a correct assumption?
The reason I want to go digital modeling (specifically Line6, because I like what I hear) is because I want to be able to access sounds I want without actually having to persue such and such amp and pay such and such price ad infinitum...
InstituteOfNoise said:
( thanks for the help! )
Okay, great, I figured I'd have to treat the POD as a preamp, so what kind of amplifier would you recommend if I was going that route?
Also, if I were to buy a "transparent" 2 or 4 x12 what cab would you recommend?
A companion question to this would naturally be "Could I still use my stand alone effects pedals with the PODxt/POD Pro?" since I asked it earlier in reference to the Spider II.
I already know that the PODxt has an effects loop, so that leads me to believe I can use stand-alone effects with the unit. Is this a correct assumption?
The reason I want to go digital modeling (specifically Line6, because I like what I hear) is because I want to be able to access sounds I want without actually having to persue such and such amp and pay such and such price ad infinitum...
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UCSDBoy
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I don't think the PODxt has an effects loop, at least, I've never seen one. =)
I think if you're looking for a modeling amp, then you might want to look at things other than a POD. Even Line6 people admit they don't use the PODs on stage (of course, they show off their ampline instead =)).
I love the POD, but like most people, aren't satisfied with the sounds I get when I put it in the input or effects loop of a solid state/tube amp/pa. There's a lot of debate among POD people about whether it's best to use a keyboard amp, a poweramp and flat speakers, the new atomic amp, etc. If you're really looking for a modeling amp then the VOX, the Vetta II, or the Flextone III might be better choices...
I don't think the PODxt has an effects loop, at least, I've never seen one. =)
I think if you're looking for a modeling amp, then you might want to look at things other than a POD. Even Line6 people admit they don't use the PODs on stage (of course, they show off their ampline instead =)).
I love the POD, but like most people, aren't satisfied with the sounds I get when I put it in the input or effects loop of a solid state/tube amp/pa. There's a lot of debate among POD people about whether it's best to use a keyboard amp, a poweramp and flat speakers, the new atomic amp, etc. If you're really looking for a modeling amp then the VOX, the Vetta II, or the Flextone III might be better choices...
Closed Eye
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POD XT Pro Amp Modeler (Rackmount):
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...98806/g=guitar/search/detail/base_pid/482196/
Scroll way down the bottom, the last dot says:
"Stereo Programmable Effects Loop (Series or Parallel)"
Isn't that an effects loop?
Thanks for the advice, I'll keep looking... (that is, unless a different answer to my previous question arises)
POD XT Pro Amp Modeler (Rackmount):
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...98806/g=guitar/search/detail/base_pid/482196/
Scroll way down the bottom, the last dot says:
"Stereo Programmable Effects Loop (Series or Parallel)"
Isn't that an effects loop?
Thanks for the advice, I'll keep looking... (that is, unless a different answer to my previous question arises)
InstituteOfNoise
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Yes the Pro version has the effects loop, not the regular red bean.
If you want a small rig, the red bean into the Atomic is it!!!
If you want more speaker power, I know more than a couple of top pro guys here in LA that run their POD xt Pro into a VHT 2/50/2 ot 2/90/2 into a split 4x12 or 2 2x12's. For low budget power amps the Marshall 8008 valvestate is pretty good for under $200. One buddy runs that into 2 narrow ADA 2x12 cabs. For teh money his rig sounds great, but he just called me the other night and may be selling that setup to get a PODxt bean and the Atomic. He uses his Vetta Combo with an extension for larger outdoor shows.
Yes the Pro version has the effects loop, not the regular red bean.
If you want a small rig, the red bean into the Atomic is it!!!
If you want more speaker power, I know more than a couple of top pro guys here in LA that run their POD xt Pro into a VHT 2/50/2 ot 2/90/2 into a split 4x12 or 2 2x12's. For low budget power amps the Marshall 8008 valvestate is pretty good for under $200. One buddy runs that into 2 narrow ADA 2x12 cabs. For teh money his rig sounds great, but he just called me the other night and may be selling that setup to get a PODxt bean and the Atomic. He uses his Vetta Combo with an extension for larger outdoor shows.
UCSDBoy
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Sorry - never heard of them - I was young (20) when I left that area, which is probably why - I was more into watching bands play at the Phoenix Theater, in Petaluma - do you know that place? Green Day, Primus, Metallica, a lot of Bay Area bands used to play there...InstituteOfNoise said:
UCSDBoy
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Is the wattage rating on most amps only for the power amp section or the preamp too? I was wondering because perhaps one of the reasons the Atomic Reactor sounds louder than 18 watts is there is no wattage going to power tubes in a preamp section.
Is the wattage rating on most amps only for the power amp section or the preamp too? I was wondering because perhaps one of the reasons the Atomic Reactor sounds louder than 18 watts is there is no wattage going to power tubes in a preamp section.
InstituteOfNoise
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Sure I know the Phoenix. Never played that place, but many friends did.
As far as wattage, that 18w is the power amp part. I'm not sure if there is a power rating to preamps in general. I could be wrong.
Sure I know the Phoenix. Never played that place, but many friends did.
As far as wattage, that 18w is the power amp part. I'm not sure if there is a power rating to preamps in general. I could be wrong.
InstituteOfNoise
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UCSDBoy, I just found out Guitar Trader should be getting some Atomics in. Is that near you in S.D.? Check in with them to give one a try soon.
UCSDBoy, I just found out Guitar Trader should be getting some Atomics in. Is that near you in S.D.? Check in with them to give one a try soon.
InstituteOfNoise
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Not familiar with Guitar Trader personally, but have seen their site before.
Good, Bad experience?
Not familiar with Guitar Trader personally, but have seen their site before.
Good, Bad experience?