Modeling amp technology still lagging

[JeffB]

Re: Modeling amp technology still lagging

From what I've seen/heard of Pantera & dimebag given a choice I would rather listen to Beiber. Not a fan. Point is, I'd rather hear a good clip comparing tone to tone without all the nonsense drums and err...."vocals". Studio magic and real amps are two different things.

 

[dominus]

Re: Modeling amp technology still lagging

From what I've seen/heard of Pantera & dimebag given a choice I would rather listen to Beiber. Not a fan. Point is, I'd rather hear a good clip comparing tone to tone without all the nonsense drums and err...."vocals". Studio magic and real amps are two different things.

I don't listen to albums of just guitars, nor go to concerts where there's just guitars. I listen to entire bands.

 

[JeffB]

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Your point being what? That we should be totally happy with modelling just cos somebody made a million dollar album with it to the point where it sounds pretty good with all the tone masking/fudging going on?

 

[dominus]

Re: Modeling amp technology still lagging

Your point being what? That we should be totally happy with modelling just cos somebody made a million dollar album with it to the point where it sounds pretty good with all the tone masking/fudging going on?

No, that we have all these options and toys available to us.

 

[JeffB]

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I agree- I OWN AND USE a modeller as it's the best option for me at this time. But if we are going to compare, it needs to be done apples to apples and take into account everything- in particular as far as I'm concerned- player dynamics and "feel"- thats key for me-I have not tried these new whiz bang AxeFX and 11racks, but I'd be willing to give them a fair shake in a live environment (i.e. through a cab, and not into a mixer/recorder) to see if they can accomplish that.

 

[Jessie Sammler]

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I don't listen to albums of just guitars, nor go to concerts where there's just guitars. I listen to entire bands.

Fair enough, but I bet you scrutinize your tone and swap pickups mainly while you're at home playing by yourself. Or do you have the band come over to give you a more realistic, real-world backdrop while you change magnets and tweak pole-pieces?

 

[dominus]

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Fair enough, but I bet you scrutinize your tone and swap pickups mainly while you're at home playing by yourself. Or do you have the band come over to give you a more realistic, real-world backdrop while you change magnets and tweak pole-pieces?

That is correct, and it goes into a Vox Tonelab, and I listen via headphones. I don't play live, and I record by myself.

 

[Jessie Sammler]

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That is correct, and it goes into a Vox Tonelab, and I listen via headphones. I don't play live, and I record by myself.

:scratchch Hmmm. How does the band setting change the way we perceive a guitar tone? What does it do to our perception of differences between guitar tones? How much else has to be going on before you can't tell the difference between a DD and a JB? Or can you always tell?

 

[El Dunco]

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I thought it was Pantera. I'd rather listen to Tom Araya; he's like Frank Sinatra compared to those guys.

Listsen to anything FBD and beyond, the Superjoint and Down stuff. You'd think he gargles razors for breakfast. As heavy as if not heavier than Araya. But yeah, he was a little tame on Vulgar and didn't have the character of Cowboys and earlier.

To whoever just wanted 'a nice guitar track with no vocals and nonsense drums'. The kind of people who feel what they're doing and make that kind of 'nonsense' are doing it for a reason. They don't really have a 'nice guitar tracks' demographic in mind.

Funny though, I was actually watching that guys videos earlier today, he has some good gear. His bands aren't too bad. I sometimes run the signal of my amplifiers into 'impulse' cab emulators. They are the only thing I find acceptable. I still don't find them any alternative in a pro release situation, but for getting ideas out in their proper context and light night enjoyment they're perfect.

Peace, kind regards and metal up your f*ckin arse .

 

[dominus]

Re: Modeling amp technology still lagging

:scratchch Hmmm. How does the band setting change the way we perceive a guitar tone? What does it do to our perception of differences between guitar tones? How much else has to be going on before you can't tell the difference between a DD and a JB? Or can you always tell?

If you've got a tone on your amp at home, and then you go and play with your band, do you adjust it to fit in better, or do you just play?

I found some multi-track recordings of some unnamed band's songs (they might sue just for me downloading them... ) , and listening to the guitar tracks alone, they sound like hell.. play them together with the rest of the tracks, and they sound awesome.

As for different pickups.. on *my* setup, I can hear the subtle differences. Maybe that's why I've got 40+ of my own programmed presets so far.. what works for some guitars might not work for some others. Far easier to modify all the settings until I get what I'm looking for and then save it into a new slot rather than futz around each time I grab a different guitar.